I'll conseed the point that IOS8 was released a little too early, as was, in my opinion IOS7. It too had a good number of bugs when it first came out if I remember correctly.
Say what you like about the late steve jobs, but, he made sure that each release of IOS had as few debilitating bugs as possible before it was released. Perhaps we need the innovativeness of tim cook and his team with the perfectionism of steve jobs. I think we've gone from one extreme to another and there needs to be a happy medium where all sides can be happy, and thus the end-user can be even happier knowing their devices won't break at the first upgrade. -----Original Message----- From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Mark Sent: Sunday, 28 September 2014 09:27 To: OS X & iOS Accessibility Subject: Re: [Bulk] RE: iOS 8.0.2, to Upgrade or Not? I don't want to spend too much time going tit for tat on this subject. Many blind people I know in fact embrace change. The assumption that the problem is not embracing change is perhaps misguided. My experience, has been from people I know, and customers of the blind agency where I work, that have been extremely frustrated as they have lost the ability to utilize a tool they have become very familiar and reliance upon. So the frustration, is waiting for the bugs to be fixed so that people can perform the normal functions they are used to. I think Apple released this upgrade to soon, to match the release of their eye six. It's just my thoughts. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 27, 2014, at 4:07 PM, Shaun Oliver <blindma...@gmail.com> wrote: I'm unsure where you get the impression that IOS8 is unuseable. It's perfectly useable and relyable. I know blind people are afraid of change, but doggedly hanging onto software just because of the fear of your device being rendered useless, based upon the say so of a minority, is the folly. Yes, I've found and reported some bugs. Yes, There's some annoyances, and yes, there might be one or two things that don't work. But, please, don't become like the masses out there. The masses that seem to be a generation of users whereby we have smart phones and dumb operators. You do yourself and us, a great disservice. -----Original Message----- From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Mark Sent: Sunday, 28 September 2014 04:46 To: OS X & iOS Accessibility Subject: Re: [Bulk] RE: iOS 8.0.2, to Upgrade or Not? I am not going to upgrade to I OS 8 until there is some reliance upon usability. I don't believe there's any folly, in wanting to actually use the iPhone you have become reliant upon. The folly, is that somehow upgrading to an in adequate upgrade, is better so all others will be better off because Apple customer service will hear from more people about what doesn't work. For those that are brave enough, to express to Apple what doesn't work on their phones anymore….Go for it. Much thanks. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 27, 2014, at 10:49 AM, Eleanor Martha Burke <eleanormarthabu...@gmail.com> wrote: Well my niece who is sighted said the upgrade really messed up her iPad. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenn" <glenner...@cableone.net> To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" <mac-access@mac-access.net> Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 3:54 PM Subject: Re: [Bulk] RE: iOS 8.0.2, to Upgrade or Not? > Speaking of security, I seem to recall, in IOS 7, in the major release > from 6x to 7, that there was a security breakage. > Here is an example where it is more secure to stay with the older version. > These developers are in too much of a rush to upgrade their OS. > I think Apple wanted to get this out along side their new phone and > rushed things too much. > Plus, when things go bad, it is harder on those of use using the > adaptive software we need to even use the device. > Glenn > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Smith" > <g.smith...@rogers.com> > To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" <mac-access@mac-access.net> > Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 8:48 AM > Subject: Re: [Bulk] RE: iOS 8.0.2, to Upgrade or Not? > > > I could not agree more. People that just sit back are not helping us > at all. Perhaps if we all updated and showed our interest in getting > things fixed it would all happen a lot quicker and the likes of Appple > may concentrate a little more on the voice over side of some great software. > Everyone to their own I guess. > > > > -----Original Message----- From: Shaun Oliver > Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 6:06 > To: 'OS X & iOS Accessibility' > Subject: [Bulk] RE: iOS 8.0.2, to Upgrade or Not? > > I may be seen as confrontational with this response, but, I'mnot > concerned with that. > > What concerns me, however, is the arrogants displayed by people who > believe they know better than they who've coded the operating system > we're discussing. > > Regardless of accessibility bugs, which aren't insurmountable, I might > add, Each new IOS update includes security fixes to plug holes that > were found in the last revision and were picked up too late to be included in > the cycle. > Irrespective of these bugs, a good number of which, have been > addressed, to a certain extent, to suggest that people not upgrade so > as to maintain useability, in my opinion is arrogant and gauche and > utter folly. To suggest you have no issues with security in a previous > revision of IOS is again folly. > > It only takes one misplaced tap to introduce malware to the system or > open up a back door to be exploited by someone with little else to do > than annoy the rest of us. > > If you want total security, you won't buy a smart phone. If you want > moderate security, you won't connect it to the internet. If you want > relative security, you'll stay on top of updates. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net > [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Timothy J. > Meloy > Sent: Saturday, 27 September 2014 16:16 > To: OS X & iOS Accessibility > Subject: Re: iOS 8.0.2, to Upgrade or Not? > > I have not experienced some of the voice over bugs that have been > widely talked about. The pros outweigh the cons for upgrading. > TJ > > >> On Sep 27, 2014, at 1:30 AM, Diane Bomar <bomon...@earthlink.net> wrote: >> >> Unless there is something in IOS 8, that you absolutely must have, I >> would > encourage you to wait. After using IOS 8 for a week, on my new iPhone, > I definitely will not be updating this iPad mini, till some bugs are fixed. >> >> >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On Sep 26, 2014, at 11:07 PM, Glenn <glenner...@cableone.net> wrote: >> >> I don't think we need to worry about security in version 7. >> Glenn >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Shaun Oliver" <blindma...@gmail.com> >> To: "'OS X & iOS Accessibility'" <mac-access@mac-access.net> >> Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 11:57 PM >> Subject: RE: iOS 8.0.2, to Upgrade or Not? >> >> >> It's always a good idea to upgrade, even if the bugs haven't all been >> ironed out, you'll find that there's always security fixes which are >> reason enough to upgrade. >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net >> [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Sarah k >> Alawami >> Sent: Saturday, 27 September 2014 14:25 >> To: mac access list iOS Accessibility >> Subject: Re: iOS 8.0.2, to Upgrade or Not? >> >> Actually I heard some of the accessibility bugs have been fixed and >> some work arounds as well. I myself will wait especially now that >> apple stopped code signing ios7 so down grading really is not a >> possibility anymore if you find somethign brakes. >> >> At the same time how ever the more of us that report bugs the more >> apple might consider a fix for us. >>> On Sep 26, 2014, at 8:00 PM, Anna <asengi...@rochester.rr.com> wrote: >>> >>> From the update info list given during update there were no >>> accessibilty >> bug fixes listed, mainly cellular connectivity fixes. >>> >>> I would wait. >>> >>> Anna >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>>> On Sep 26, 2014, at 10:30 PM, Matthew Chao <mattc...@verizon.net> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi, Folks. I have an iPhone 5 running the latest version of iOS7. >>>> I've >> heard that 8.0.0 had problems regarding the Bluetooth keyboards >> working with VoiceOver. Has this been fixed in iOS8.0.2? Also, what >> about the sticking phone touch tone key? 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