On Tue, 2005-03-15 at 23:01 +0000, Tom Burke wrote:
> > What would people say was the best value for money 2nd hand laptop, 
> > (talking sub 200 quid here)...

None of the Apple laptops at this price are useful - no OS-X
and ageing parts. :-(

Thinkpads are excellent value here - you could get a sub-notebook
plus accessories - or the beautiful Compaq Armada M300. Both
are smaller and lighter than the 12inch ibook.

You could run GNUStep - this is 99% source-compatible with Cocoa.
You'd also be able choose from all the usual GNU packages.

> > The G3 powerbooks I see on ebay, 250mhz and up, are they capable of 
> > running os x with any usefulness?

not with any usefulness :-(

> More importantly, I have a feeling that they are reaching the end of 
> their lives. In the last year I've had two Lombards get pretty unusable 
> - ethernet ports fail, that sort of thing - and we've still got a Pismo 
> with a dodgy DVD drive - most of the time the system just doesn't see 
> the drive at all. So I think these older Powerbooks are a bit of a 
> gamble.

Agreed - that's one thing that's kept me from buying.
We have four thinkpads in this family, three of them
are eight-years old, and they're all in great condition,
with many years' life ahead :-)

> I think that the most cost-effective s/h Apple laptops would be the 
> very late G3 iBooks, or the first G4 iBooks.

but not at under GBP200 ;^/

Good luck in your search,

 - Richard Smedley

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Thinkpad 570  (mine)   GNU/Linux (AfterStep), Hurd, and Haiku (OpenBeOS)
Thinkpad 560E (wife's)           GNU/Linux (AfterStep) and Plan9
Thinkpad 760E (eldest girl 's)   GNU/Linux (AfterStep)
Thinkpad 560  (son's)            GNU/Linux



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