I computed there is a 82% chance that Kay actually has an opinion on the matter and a 67.6% chance that there is a core of rationality underlying the rather thick veneer that seems otherwise.
However, one should consider that 52.2% of all statistics are made up on the spot, and I know how to use a slide rule. Bill Holt > From: Ward Oldham <woldham at insightbb.com> > Reply-To: macgroup at erdos.math.louisville.edu > Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2004 09:00:06 -0400 > To: MUG <macgroup at erdos.math.louisville.edu> > Subject: Re: MacGroup: Re: Copying > > Kay, > > Its one thing to politely correct the facts as stated. Use of phrases such > as "I believe you are mistaken" or "I can't totally agree with your view" > would be more appropriate in a public forum such as this. > > But to slap someone down, bloody their nose and tell them they're uninformed > and totally ignorant is uncalled for! > > I may be over-reacting and surely short on caffeine this morning but your > tone sure makes me appreciate to a lot lesser degree the information you > bring to this group. > > Ward Oldham > > > > From: KR'sListMail <listmail at electrablue.com> > Reply-To: <macgroup at erdos.math.louisville.edu> > Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 02:35:12 -0400 > To: <macgroup at erdos.math.louisville.edu> > Subject: MacGroup: Re: Copying > > Hi, > > In response to what I wrote > >>> So, When you start talking about wanting to copy copyrighted DVD >>> movies on your computer? This is not a simple question for any >>> Developer to answer--especially since you are asking questions that >>> are essentially are about "how to break the law". Copying DVD media, >>> is not a "right" > > and Henri's response: > >> >> Not true. Copying media is your right, upheld by the supreme court etc >> etc doodah doodah. >> >> However, the creators of the media have the right to make copying as >> painful as possible, and the DMCA says you are not allowed to get >> around >> things they have put in place. >> >> This basically creats a loophole: You have the right to copy. They have >> the right to stop you. You don't have the right to counter their stop. > > Henri, > > You are very very wrong. > I pay my GDM, IT attorneys $250 an hour to keep me in the legal clear > on copyrights and licenses, and to also write my copyright contracts > for my projects with the studios. Are you saying, what they taught me > is wrong for the past decade is wrong, and that you know more than they > do > > Hacking passkeys, and copying DVD content or any media disk for that > matter, is not a sovereign "right", ethically or legally by ANY court > of law here or anywhere. Copying DVDs, is considered reverse > engineering and that it is considered stealing Intellectual Property. > Plus, With DVDs the media itself is considered a canvas, not just a > media material, since the disk is painted with art, graphics, > trademarks, etc. This means the DVD plastics, the disk is an intrinsic > part of the work itself- like the oil paint applied to a canvas > painting. And with DVDs every disk is in essence be considered a > "Master Disk" or "Original". Ouch. > > So, Copying a DVD and distributing it to another- meaning, in real > life: like giving one copy to a friend, or worse, posting it online > for sharing to lots of people, IS considered "Distribution". That > means=Stealing not just once, but twice. Doing either of these things, > is a severe criminal act, is rated a felony- a criminal equivalent to > stealing a car. > > Minumum jail time for felony? Is one year or more.... > > And , Just so you know, financially, I do know, the least damage for > artist infringement for a CD hack theft, will be at least 50 grand + > plus court costs. I am sure DVDs is 5 times of that, since the volume > of property is multiple of what CDs are. Then on top of that, you also > will get stuck paying the bill for the artists attorneys bringing your > ass to court. On top comes the artists' reputation damages, which can > be unlimited, since a jury determine that amounts. Once you are proven > as an infringer? (which is not hard to prove, since copying leaves a > code trail) You will pay it all. > > So Henri, If you can afford to risk your reputation, and have all this > money to pay all these damages, and get the ink stain of a class A > felony onto your LIFE record- a permanent mark on your life record > that can never be erased, a record that can follow you where-ever you > go in the world? When you apply for a job, apply for a home or car > loan, go to school, travel, get a parking ticket, heeeey. "Mr > Policeman, why you stopping me???" As they say, once a felon, always > a felon. > > Does this Sound like FUN to exercise your so called rights, in this > way? Is it worth it, to hack open and copy a stupid DVD, really WORTH > the cost, this kind of risk to your life, or to encourage others to > follow suit? If so, Go ahead! Buy your DVD hack recorder, Henri! And > then, hey after that? Be an even bigger fool and let everyone know > about it on a public mailing list. even better, get your friends and > family involved in it all--they will thank you later! After all--as > you say? It is one's free "right" to be a stupid fool, copy a > company's artistic product, brag about it, bring everyone you know into > the fold, yep, do something THAT dumb in America, is a free right isn't > it? > > Yes, Those stupid Americans! How could anyone, ever consider copying > those DVDs, and CDs as stealing someone else's work--as wrong! That is > just sharing the love, isn't it!??? Yes, think of it. That is my RIGHT > to share anything I touch, with whoever I want to give this stuff to. > > Thinking like you are? This is so ethically and spiritually- wrong. > > Remember the lady that asked this question, about copying DVDs in the > first place? Cathy? Rather than tell her to buy some hack machine > online from some offshore crook, maybe she should be advised to just > buy a used DVD disk for $10 at the corner video store, where-ever she > travels. That's what I do, and I am able to sleep at night, knowing I > have supported a few of my fellow artists in the entertainment > industry. That feels nice. > > Of course, that is MY choice to abide by the law, wherever I go, of > course. > > You can do what you what-ever you do... Henri. But you should be very > VERY careful about what you advise others to do.... especially when it > involves breaking the law. Aiding and Abeting, who more criminality, > more fun, Ya know? Oooooo boy! You sure can be shocking, Henri in the > things you wrote. > > Was that your true intent. To shock? > > How fortunate it must be to move and live in a new country and do > whatever you want and to make up your own laws.... I spent 6 months in > England and when I was there? I was always aware I was a guest of > another's country. I watched what I said and did there. > > To feel, it is OK for you to take whatever you want, from whomever you > want? And then afterwards to brag about doing so, to all us, stupid > American fools that were born here? And making double sure we are told > and really really aware of about how wrong we Americans are about our > ethics, values, and laws... > > Wow. That's Really, like > ...Amazing. > > > > > > > > > > | The next meeting of the Louisville Computer Society will > | be July 27. The LCS Web page is <http://www.kymac.org>. > | List posting address: <mailto:macgroup at erdos.math.louisville.edu> > | List Web page: <http://erdos.math.louisville.edu/macgroup> > > | The next meeting of the Louisville Computer Society will | be July 27. The LCS Web page is <http://www.kymac.org>. | List posting address: <mailto:macgroup at erdos.math.louisville.edu> | List Web page: <http://erdos.math.louisville.edu/macgroup>
