Hi Marta,

The ipod solution is not cost effective unless you desire to ?kill two birds
with one stone? and purchase both an mp3 player and removable hard disk
storage in one device.

Just an ordinary external firewire hard drive will do the trick and used in
conjunction with a cloning utility like carbon copy cloner, you are able to
create an identical bootable duplicate of your internal boot drive.
Ward

Ward Oldham, MacDude
MacTown
1041 Bardstown Road
Louisville, KY  40204
502-485-1243
ward at mactown.us
http://www.mactown.us


From: Marta Edie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: <macgroup at erdos.math.louisville.edu>
Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 14:18:53 -0400
To: <macgroup at erdos.math.louisville.edu>
Subject: Re: MacGroup: Apple Updates and (Palm errata)

Thanks, Jerry, since I know your unconventional sense of humour i wasn't
quite sure about those odd numbers- you know of the threes ,sevens and
elevens in fairy tales. - One such number might be enough to turn you into
an ugly dwarf. - -  I guess I need more than a cup of coffee to be isighted
at any time of day. - Now to a Mac-User question : Would it be a good idea
to have one of those external hard drives so you have everything backed up,
all your settings  and preferences in all your applications etc?, in case
your interior one gives out? -Ward suggested once to use your iPod's other
half ( if you have that big size and are not wanting to put all the world's
music on it ) as a hard drive to make a copy of your Mac HD. I would not
want to start from scratch falls eine Katastrophe happened.
Marta 
On Apr 16, 2005, at 15:56, Jerry Yeager wrote:

> Hello Marta, 
> 
> On Apr 16, 2005, at 2:57 PM, Marta Edie PB wrote:
> 
>> Jerry, what is an external firewire drive? I already downloaded that update
>> yesterday ( it comes up automatically), and why would an uneven number make
>> any difference? Or are you just joking like Lee on April1? -I have never
>> known anything about my firewire, it only tells me that I have a firewire
>> running when I do my iTunes and therefore can't share them.( Who would?)  I
>> could turn this announcement off, but I like to be reminded of this firewire
>> business, so that some day I would ask about it. And the day is now.
>  
> Your iMac comes with an internal hard drive, but if you run out of space you
> can get another hard drive and connect it to your Mac using either the USB
> ports or the FireWire ports.
> 
> There had been various reports from time to time of folks having problems with
> their external hard drives using FireWire connections after a 10.3.n o. s.
> update (usually the hard drive manufacturer had not been very serious about
> letting folks know about firmware updates and so after an update from Apple,
> there were some problems). These usually happened with the odd numbered
> updates and were fixed in the even numbered updates (and by updating the hard
> drive's firmware).
> 
> 
>> Palm errata!! Wow, now we are going into Latin, how glorious! BTW- this
>> iSight update i did not do. I doubt that i want to see anybody anyway as I
>> sit in front of this computer before breakfast.
>  
> 
> Need the morning coffee first ehh?
> 
>         Jerry 
> 
>> Marta 
>> On Apr 16, 2005, at 14:39, Jerry Yeager wrote:
>> 
>>> Hey MIke, Marta is a guru (smile).
>>> 
>>> It looks like Apple had nothing to do on a Friday night (smile), so
>>> yesterday they decided to release a couple of updates including 10.3.9.  Get
>>> via Apple's web-site or via SUPP.
>>> 
>>> One note: since this is an odd number update a thought of caution for those
>>> of you with external Firewire hard-drives connected to your Mac(s). Shutdown
>>> the external hard drive before doing the update. Then start the drive back
>>> up afterwards. 
>>> 
>>>             Jerry
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Apr 16, 2005, at 2:08 PM, Marta Edie wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Mike.  I  learned the hard way.  Having bought a Zire 71 ( a couple of
>>>> years back) I was able to use the hotsync feature (that is what palm calls
>>>> it) employing the palm software and make an addressbook and a datebook
>>>> typing data into the computer or/and on the Palm (Zire) ,which went fine,
>>>> but then I had trouble trying to put the names from my already existent
>>>> addressbook and date book ( ICal) from Apple to cooperate. I could not sync
>>>> them (Apple calls it isync)  into my palm. So I found out that I  had to
>>>> disable the conduits for the hotsync operation , so the palm would not get
>>>> confused. And since the Mac is already set up to sync with any palm, that
>>>> was  all I had to do. Of course I  had to call Apple and/or Palm to tell me
>>>> where to find them.  hd/library/application support/ palm hotsync--- then
>>>> you take those conduits into the disabled folder. That folder is in there
>>>> already. (  I  left the notes and todos  in the enabled folder,  because I
>>>> only use these features in my handheld )- and the pictures (  my palm takes
>>>> pictures) will be synced into pictures anyway. - I only know this, because
>>>> wanting to use my palm, I  had to figure it out.
>>>> Marta 
>>>> On Apr 16, 2005, at 13:02, Mike Watkins wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Marta, 
>>>>> 
>>>>> This E-mail answer of yours is very impressive! I have little or no idea
>>>>> what you're talking about, since I've never dealt with a Palm Pilot (or
>>>>> any such creature). You sound like a guru yourself! Using terms such as
>>>>> cross-sync, hotsynching, and software conduits...Wow!
>>>>> 
>>>>> Mike 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Apr 15, 2005, at 4:38 PM, Marta Edie wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> But Harry, if you have a .mac account  and iDisk and want to sync with
>>>>>> other computers,  or already have an addressbook list  of names and
>>>>>> calendar with data, you need the palm to isync unless you want to retype
>>>>>> every address into your new palm pilot individually. --  I think, if I
>>>>>> remember correctly, that was the question asked. We,  too, have one palm
>>>>>> pilot here at home (my husband's) only hotsyncing to one computer  using
>>>>>> only the palm desktop software for that. And it works well. And I do like
>>>>>> the palm software, too. Palm is even nice enough to correspond with you
>>>>>> by e-mail and, for that matter, get you the right technician if you tell
>>>>>> them their answers were of no help. But if you want to cross-sync between
>>>>>> iCal and Apple addressbook with Palm,just having bought a new one, you
>>>>>> need to use the isync feature of Apple  and disable the hotsync feature
>>>>>> for these two items in the palm software conduits.
>>>>>> Marta 
>>>>>> On Apr 15, 2005, at 16:06, Harry Jacobson-Beyer wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> A while back someone asked about syncing palm pilots to Mac's address
>>>>>>> book, etc. 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I just got a new Palm Tungston E to replace my handspring visor. I
>>>>>>> already had Palm Desktop OS 4.1 on my computer. I was syncing my
>>>>>>> handspring to the Palm software. It worked very well.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> When I connected the Tungsten E to my computer and hit the hotsync
>>>>>>> button 
>>>>>>> it also worked well.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I'm very happy with the palm software and have not desire to sync it to
>>>>>>> the Address Book or iCal.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> As they say, if it ain't broke, don't fix it.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> | The next meeting of the Louisville Computer Society will
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>>>>>>  
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> | The next meeting of the Louisville Computer Society will
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>>>>>> | List Web page: <http://erdos.math.louisville.edu/macgroup>
>>>>>> 
>>>>>  
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> | The next meeting of the Louisville Computer Society will
>>>>> | be April 26. The LCS Web page is <http://www.kymac.org>.
>>>>> | List posting address: <mailto:macgroup at erdos.math.louisville.edu>
>>>>> | List Web page: <http://erdos.math.louisville.edu/macgroup>
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> | The next meeting of the Louisville Computer Society will
>>>> | be April 26. The LCS Web page is <http://www.kymac.org>.
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>>>> 
>>> -----------------------------------
>>> Someday, I will come up with a clever signature line. I am not sure if I
>>> will use it or not, but I will come up with one.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> | The next meeting of the Louisville Computer Society will
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>>> | List posting address: <mailto:macgroup at erdos.math.louisville.edu>
>>> | List Web page: <http://erdos.math.louisville.edu/macgroup>
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>>> 
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> Someday, I will come up with a clever signature line. I am not sure if I will
> use it or not, but I will come up with one.


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