Hi,

Dec 28, 2020, 04:36 by fun...@gmail.com:

> Hello,
>
> I found markdown.org. It seems, newly born again software "expert" here, 
> there are many avenues to take on this venture. CodeLabs does not like me or 
> Ubuntu for some reason. 
>
> ...
>
> I can try CodeLabs again under Debian if necessary but it seems that there 
> are many avenues available with markdown. I have been reading and I have used 
> the markdown briefly before reading into it more recently.
>
> If necessary, I can start to transfer specific pages out of your 
> machinekit.io pages or make new ones for people like me who are new to 
> machinekit. 
>
I think making new ones would be the right thing in this, because trying to 
bend something to own needs is always mildly frustrating and could potentially 
lead to loss of stamina or interest. When one starts on a green field, 
everything looks more promising.

This way one can also create something based on his best intentions and 
knowledge without the need to constantly double-guess what somebody else was 
thinking.

> I am not sure what is needed right now. I know what I would do but it may not 
> be as professional as some people would like.
>
Professionals are just amateurs who get paid. This is part of what I wanted to 
say by pointing out that everyone has different vector how to learn this tool. 
I probably messed my reasoning up.

For me, the most important part was to understand that it is not about CNC or 
path planning or kernelspace and userspace modules or any of that parts most 
frequently talked about, but it is about shared memory based IPC, and its 
functional API. But for somebody else, somebody interested in other areas, it 
will be different.

So I do think that user description, understanding and on this based tutorials 
are important. Sure, for somebody it will not be "professional" enough, for 
somebody else it will be exactly what he was looking for. That's life.

> I would just use markdown to create some simple examples to test. For 
> example, I can try w/ the BBB and learn the commands and publish what I am 
> learning. I have not been around long enough to know every in and out but...
>
Sounds great. Usually people who just recently gained some knowledge are the 
ones best poised to spread it to others.

> I have a motor
> I have a BBB
> I have some nice source to test the motor
> I can get an image of Machinekit ready to prevail with the BBB image
> Easy to read or black and white text? See me, I am not a popular person nor 
> do I stay accustomed to seizures from lucid colors while reading. I like it 
> plain and simple (one reason google groups is nice). No frills. 
>
Sure, that is the advantage of using Markdow or AsciiDoc. These are targeted 
toward the content and the form can be modified afterwards.

So, you are against the change to something modern, like Discourse?

>
> ...
>
> So, in retrospect, I would say markdown and in an easy-to-read format, i.e. 
> bullet points, some code from testing, some command usage, and outcomes w/ 
> all of that combined into a video for "leverage." People love the final 
> product.
>
Great, videos are nice! Especially from someone who has a pleasant voice.

>
> I have a couple more items to get so I can alter the state of this motor but 
> I will look to machinekit for usage. I am learning currently about machinekit 
> slowly along w/ commands and .ini files for usage on the commands. 
>
> Seth
>
> P.S. If you need me to promote my findings on "popular" links about 
> machinekit.io and the ideas involved, let me know. I will do it. Places like 
> Hackster.io, Hackady.io, Instructables, and places of that nature might bring 
> in some fascination since I cannot really provide high levels of C/C++ source 
> right now. If it works, it works. People who use 32-bit machines should know 
> and I think people should use it based on this info. about it being dedicated 
> to 32-bit machines. Just for the record, I will be posting some files in here 
> regarding my markdown findings on the subject of machinekit.io and my 
> personal usage. Sorry for the long explanation. Over and out...tutorials on 
> the way!
>
Do what you think is best. I have found that it is the best approach.

Cern.

> On Sunday, December 27, 2020 at 6:02:03 PM UTC-6 ce...@tuta.io wrote:
>
>> Hello, 
>> Dec 18, 2020, 03:50 by >> fun...@gmail.com <>>> : 
>>  
>> > Hello, 
>> > 
>> > You got it. Do not solely rely on me but if you want me to start sharing 
>> > ideas, I can keep it up to date constantly. If learning this source will 
>> > help me w/ my machines, learning is preferable for me and I can document 
>> > things well enough to have others understand it easily (outside of some 
>> > reasoning behind C/C++). 
>> > 
>> I think that different people have different ways of how to approach this 
>> endeavour. Things which were important for me to understand, so I can boast 
>> understanding of the whole system are not necessarily  things somebody else 
>> will need to understand for the same level of feelings. I am and was 
>> approaching this from a software engineering point of view, not a machinist 
>> or machine integrator angle. So I am interested in how and with what exactly 
>> people are struggling with. 
>>  
>> > 
>> > Seth 
>> > 
>> > P.S. So, even though I have not started yet, starting w/ machines is 
>> > something I find neat. So, I am starting now at an older age b/c "why 
>> > not?" Why would I just sit still doing nothing all day? Oh and sir, I 
>> > understand about the gearing towards the BBB for me. I brought it up b/c 
>> > they have an image w/ it specifically motioned towards the machinekit 
>> > ideas. I understand now that other boards hold machinekit too. Now, if I 
>> > can only add in machinekit jargon while creating these messages. Sheesh. 
>> > 
>> Nobody is too old to learn something new! And on a side note, I have always 
>> found that I am able to learn when I want to, not when I should or somebody 
>> else thinks that I should. Or when I have a problem in need of solution. So 
>> I am fully supporting this approach. 
>>  
>> Cern. 
>>  
>> > 
>> > On Monday, December 14, 2020 at 9:14:59 PM UTC-6 >> ce...@tuta.io <>>>  
>> > wrote: 
>> > 
>> >> 
>> >> Hi, 
>> >> sure. I meant that it would be part of the Machinekit.io website and 
>> >> served as a part of it. But you are right that there currently is no 
>> >> provision for it and that would need to be scripted in. 
>> >> 
>> >> So, for now just try to do what you think is best. 
>> >> 
>> >> I am not against the BBB. It is a good system. If you want to zero on 
>> >> BBB, then by all means. I was just mentioning, that Machinekit is not 
>> >> geared only towards BBB and that there are groups using other platforms. 
>> >> 
>> >> Cern. 
>> >> 
>> >> Dec 14, 2020, 03:49 by >> >> fun...@gmail.com <>>>  <>>> : 
>> >> 
>> >> > 
>> >> > Hello, 
>> >> > 
>> >> > I can try. I looked over the idea of making the googlecodelab/tools. I 
>> >> > would not want to hold the server on my end but I may find another 
>> >> > resource. I will keep learning and like you said, I will try to not 
>> >> > gear it towards the BBB.  
>> >> > 
>> >> > ... 
>> >> > 
>> >> > I just know that those boards are my boards of choice. So, I am a bit 
>> >> > hesitant to try to make it for another type of board or for a 32-bit OS 
>> >> > w/ parport. But, like I say, I can try and I will keep learning while 
>> >> > promoting the effort.  
>> >> > 
>> >> > Seth 
>> >> > On Friday, December 11, 2020 at 8:07:17 PM UTC-6 >> >> ce...@tuta.io 
>> >> > <>>>  <>>>  wrote: 
>> >> > 
>> >> >> Hi, 
>> >> >> of course, this is a voluntary project, you can take as much time as 
>> >> >> you need. I heard that people who just learned something are the best 
>> >> >> teachers. I don't know if I agree completely, but for sure it is a 
>> >> >> good way how to sort out newly acquired knowledge even better! 
>> >> >> 
>> >> >> I was thinking of creating few hands-on tutorial for specific problems 
>> >> >> with use of Codelabs: >> >> >> 
>> >> >> https://github.com/googlecodelabs/tools>> >> >>  (It looks quite easy, 
>> >> >> has OK-ish template and the flow looks very similar to instructables.) 
>> >> >> 
>> >> >> Cern. 
>> >> >> 
>> >> >> 
>> >> >> Dec 9, 2020, 07:12 by >> >> >> fun...@gmail.com <>>>  <>>>  <>>> : 
>> >> >> 
>> >> >> > Hello, 
>> >> >> > 
>> >> >> > If you guys have patience, I would be willing to write up ideas 
>> >> >> > revolving around MachineKit. It would be a side project but a much 
>> >> >> > needed one for me. To tell you the truth, I learn a lot of things 
>> >> >> > constantly. I am always picking up new books, reading articles, and 
>> >> >> > practicing Linux based initiatives. I use motors for fun for now but 
>> >> >> > I have been learning more about C/C++ and Python as time persists.  
>> >> >> > 
>> >> >> > ... 
>> >> >> > 
>> >> >> > I said the site was fine and I think it is...it is in a list format. 
>> >> >> > Far from a tree structure but the site is needed if people are to 
>> >> >> > want to adjust to the way machinekit is set up. 
>> >> >> > 
>> >> >> > Seth 
>> >> >> > On Tuesday, December 8, 2020 at 1:47:43 PM UTC-6 >> >> >> 
>> >> >> > ce...@tuta.io <>>>  <>>>  <>>>  wrote: 
>> >> >> > 
>> >> >> >> Thank you for the input! 
>> >> >> >> 
>> >> >> >> Dec 7, 2020, 07:04 by >> >> >> >> fun...@gmail.com <>>>  <>>>  <>>> 
>> >> >> >>  <>>> : 
>> >> >> >> 
>> >> >> >> > Hello, 
>> >> >> >> > 
>> >> >> >> > I say start small w/ the site. Add a few hyperlinks to start. 
>> >> >> >> > Make something official geared towards people like me who are 
>> >> >> >> > newcomers and willing to spend time dedicated to application. I 
>> >> >> >> > am a starter in this field but I am getting older and older. 
>> >> >> >> > 
>> >> >> >> Yes, small is something which I had in mind. I don't think there is 
>> >> >> >> enough power or willingness to do full in-depth rewrite. 
>> >> >> >> 
>> >> >> >> > 
>> >> >> >> > ... 
>> >> >> >> > 
>> >> >> >> > Small site and a full representation of a working order would be 
>> >> >> >> > nice for people staring blindly at the famous pages that seem to 
>> >> >> >> > multiply quickly when viewing. 
>> >> >> >> > 
>> >> >> >> > I posted a small section from github in the form of a hyperlink. 
>> >> >> >> > It basically just goes to an incomplete but dedicated piece of 
>> >> >> >> > text on github that supports machinekit ideas w/ gcode, .ini 
>> >> >> >> > files, and basics on ideas for setting up commands. 
>> >> >> >> > 
>> >> >> >> > I think this is a good starter for people. I am sure that most of 
>> >> >> >> > you are very educated in this dept. and do not need to bother w/ 
>> >> >> >> > newcomers and nonsensical questions. I understand. I have been 
>> >> >> >> > behind the helm asking silly questions for five years in the 
>> >> >> >> > BBB.io world. The books were nice at first, the starter scripts 
>> >> >> >> > were nice too, and in the end, it seems that people stopped their 
>> >> >> >> > futuristic approach to the entire community of newcomers, their 
>> >> >> >> > ideas, and bringing old to new. 
>> >> >> >> > 
>> >> >> >> > There is no pressure from me. I can learn from the >> >> >> >> 
>> >> >> >> > machinekit.io <http://machinekit.io>>>  <>> 
>> >> >> >> > http://machinekit.io>> >>>  <>> >> http://machinekit.io>> >> >>>  
>> >> >> >> > <>> >> >> http://machinekit.io>> >> >> >>>  site like I have been 
>> >> >> >> > doing. But after a bit of spending time on the site, it is an 
>> >> >> >> > actually large database. It is easy to use and dedicated to 
>> >> >> >> > instruction. This is nice. 
>> >> >> >> > 
>> >> >> >> Most people who I talked about the site said to me that it is 
>> >> >> >> chaotic, the tree structure doesn't make sense and finding anything 
>> >> >> >> even with a search engine is Herculean task. It is interesting that 
>> >> >> >> you find the site fine and definitely something which needs to be 
>> >> >> >> taken into consideration. 
>> >> >> >> 
>> >> >> >> > 
>> >> >> >> > I say keep it or are you guys going to rearrange things a bit? I 
>> >> >> >> > ask b/c some of the ideas are not BBB.io related. I am not 
>> >> >> >> > affiliated w/ the >> >> >> >> beagleboard.org 
>> >> >> >> > <http://beagleboard.org>>>  <>> http://beagleboard.org>> >>>  <>> 
>> >> >> >> > >> http://beagleboard.org>> >> >>>  <>> >> >> 
>> >> >> >> > http://beagleboard.org>> >> >> >>>  people but I enjoy using 
>> >> >> >> > their boards for learning Linux based initiatives.  
>> >> >> >> > 
>> >> >> >> I would say the biggest problem is the fact that the site still 
>> >> >> >> presumes (and gives the impression) that Machinekit is monorepo. It 
>> >> >> >> does not differentiate between Machinekit-HAL, MKSoCFPGA, 
>> >> >> >> EMCApplication, HAL_ROS_control (when I include the Zultron's 
>> >> >> >> project) and other parts. 
>> >> >> >> 
>> >> >> >> And I hope many ideas are not BBB related. I would hate if people 
>> >> >> >> thought that Machinekit is BeagleBone only endeavour. 
>> >> >> >> 
>> >> >> >> > 
>> >> >> >> > I just like motor work, the use of motors, and to mfg. new 
>> >> >> >> > machines when I can to promote the ideas behind it all. Finding 
>> >> >> >> > open minds is not easy. People would rather pay for a Arduino w/ 
>> >> >> >> > a cheap daughter card so that they can put GRBL or Marlin on it. 
>> >> >> >> > Machinekit is not the same and is highly configurable. This is 
>> >> >> >> > what I think is nice about the entire set up you guys have in the 
>> >> >> >> > CNC world. 
>> >> >> >> > 
>> >> >> >> Well, to be fair, there is a tonnage of interesting ideas in the 
>> >> >> >> Arduino world. If it all can be somehow interconnected or reused, 
>> >> >> >> the better. In terms of better documentation, getting up some page 
>> >> >> >> comparing Arduino products to Machinekit et al. is source of 
>> >> >> >> tension than a helpful tool in the long run. 
>> >> >> >> 
>> >> >> >> Cern. 
>> >> >> >> 
>> >> >> >> > 
>> >> >> >> > But, like my old posts in the field, I say a Cape for the BBB or 
>> >> >> >> > BBAI would be neat.  
>> >> >> >> > 
>> >> >> >> > Well, it is late and I have not tested much recently. I just got 
>> >> >> >> > trying to handle interrupts on some Python3 source via the Motor 
>> >> >> >> > Bridge Cape, the BBGG, and some other source. Testing will ensue! 
>> >> >> >> > 
>> >> >> >> > Seth 
>> >> >> >> > 
>> >> >> >> > P.S. Nothing is final. Things evolve, people take specific 
>> >> >> >> > routes, and stuff stays the same. MachineKit! 
>> >> >> >> > On Monday, November 30, 2020 at 12:54:09 PM UTC-6 >> >> >> >> 
>> >> >> >> > ce...@tuta.io <>>>  <>>>  <>>>  <>>>  wrote: 
>> >> >> >> > 
>> >> >> >> >> The was discussion about this problem in the Machinekit chat 
>> >> >> >> >> room. The truth is that the community support in Machinekit is 
>> >> >> >> >> and was not good (being tactful) and with changes in development 
>> >> >> >> >> it only got worse. 
>> >> >> >> >> 
>> >> >> >> >> The documentation is bad and obsolete, the site itself is pretty 
>> >> >> >> >> chaotic and finding information is almost Sisyphean task. 
>> >> >> >> >> Everybody recognises this. 
>> >> >> >> >> 
>> >> >> >> >> The changes happening in development on Github were not manually 
>> >> >> >> >> propagated here to Google groups. Moreover, the links at top are 
>> >> >> >> >> again long obsolete in its step-by-step tutorial value (but the 
>> >> >> >> >> overall explanation and goals are still more or less valid). 
>> >> >> >> >> This is a lot more murky than to say "The site needs 
>> >> >> >> >> replacement" - because Machinekit always recognised the need for 
>> >> >> >> >> the user to be proactive and keep a finger on the pulse of 
>> >> >> >> >> development (and encouraged to do some development themselves). 
>> >> >> >> >> No version of Machinekit (meaning Machinekit organization's 
>> >> >> >> >> project here and in whole text) is production ready in the sense 
>> >> >> >> >> of guaranteeing stable version and high level of support. With 
>> >> >> >> >> the understanding that if somebody wants to or need to, he 
>> >> >> >> >> should produce his own stable branch (with implementing upstream 
>> >> >> >> >> changes as he sees fit). That was the status quo for companies 
>> >> >> >> >> using Machinekit in their commercial offerings. 
>> >> >> >> >> 
>> >> >> >> >> However, the community forum is good for something like user 
>> >> >> >> >> issue sharing, basic supporting questions and proud 
>> >> >> >> >> presentations of own use of Machinekit. Just people should not 
>> >> >> >> >> forget that there is also the Github issue tracker specific to 
>> >> >> >> >> each project used for developer talk (which does not mean that 
>> >> >> >> >> only developers or contributors can comment on presented 
>> >> >> >> >> issues). 
>> >> >> >> >> 
>> >> >> >> >> This out of the way, let's talk about how to reinvigorate the 
>> >> >> >> >> Machinekit community (because otherwise all this is useless). 
>> >> >> >> >> The website with repository README page are first point of 
>> >> >> >> >> contacts with new users. Usually what I need to know about new 
>> >> >> >> >> OSS is WHAT is it, WHY does it exist, HOW can I use it and WHEN 
>> >> >> >> >> should I use it. 
>> >> >> >> >> 
>> >> >> >> >> Current status of Machinekit site did not change much from the 
>> >> >> >> >> time Machinekit was forked. It is Jekyll based site with own 
>> >> >> >> >> theme build from Machinekit-docs repository with use of Github 
>> >> >> >> >> Actions service and deployed to >> >> >> >> >> 
>> >> >> >> >> Machinekit.github.io <http://Machinekit.github.io>>>  <>> 
>> >> >> >> >> http://Machinekit.github.io>> >>>  <>> >> 
>> >> >> >> >> http://Machinekit.github.io>> >> >>>  <>> >> >> 
>> >> >> >> >> http://Machinekit.github.io>> >> >> >>>  <>> >> >> >> 
>> >> >> >> >> http://Machinekit.github.io>> >> >> >> >>>  repository as Github 
>> >> >> >> >> Pages. I think this is a nice setup. (Not the Jekyll part, I 
>> >> >> >> >> don't care if Hugo, Gridsome, Docusaurus or whatever else is 
>> >> >> >> >> used, but the fact that it is basically static site which can be 
>> >> >> >> >> hosted pretty much anywhere and quickly replicated in case of 
>> >> >> >> >> problem by anybody.) The build is based on a very precarious 
>> >> >> >> >> Docker image (which is based on Debian Jessie and cannot be 
>> >> >> >> >> rebuilt anymore). And some parts are broken and no longer 
>> >> >> >> >> building. In other word, bad. 
>> >> >> >> >> 
>> >> >> >> >> So, the path with the least resistance as far as I can see it is 
>> >> >> >> >> to choose some simple theme with documentation support, change 
>> >> >> >> >> colours to ochre and teal, put logo at top and write some basic 
>> >> >> >> >> documentation answering the above presented question. While 
>> >> >> >> >> letting the current site live somewhere online for users 
>> >> >> >> >> interested in archaeology to study. Problem is, it is still 
>> >> >> >> >> going to require many man-hours to accomplish, but it is needed 
>> >> >> >> >> for survival. 
>> >> >> >> >> 
>> >> >> >> >> The other point is this forum. To tell the truth, I hate mail 
>> >> >> >> >> lists. But many people love them. Removing the obsolete links is 
>> >> >> >> >> connected to the website. But maybe the community would be 
>> >> >> >> >> better server with modern interface with common functions known 
>> >> >> >> >> from other places like mentions, responsive design for reading 
>> >> >> >> >> on mobile devices (not nice with current setup), SSO. Tools like 
>> >> >> >> >> Discourse, nodeBB or Flarum are able to somewhat function over 
>> >> >> >> >> emails with Discourse being the most advanced in this regard. 
>> >> >> >> >> 
>> >> >> >> >> So the importation of messages from this group would be possible 
>> >> >> >> >> and hosting it on 1 GB small server should be enough for the 
>> >> >> >> >> size of this community. The questing stays if it was a positive 
>> >> >> >> >> move for the community and not just task for the task itself. 
>> >> >> >> >> 
>> >> >> >> >> Comments welcome. 
>> >> >> >> >> 
>> >> >> >> >> Cern. (alias @cerna on Github) 
>> >> >> >> >> 
>> >> >> >> >> Dne středa 25. listopadu 2020 v 20:46:14 UTC+1 uživatel 
>> >> >> >> >> sliptonic napsal: 
>> >> >> >> >> 
>> >> >> >> >>> I'm speaking out of frustration, disappointment, and a touch of 
>> >> >> >> >>> anger. You've been warned. 
>> >> >> >> >>> 
>> >> >> >> >>> I had such high hopes for this project.  I've been using 
>> >> >> >> >>> linuxcnc/machinekit for 13 years.  Like most people, I have a 
>> >> >> >> >>> love-hate relationship with it.  So much promise and so much 
>> >> >> >> >>> frustration all together.  When the fork happened, I was one 
>> >> >> >> >>> who was cheering.  Forks used to be a bad thing but git changed 
>> >> >> >> >>> that.  Forks mean new ideas can be tested without disturbing 
>> >> >> >> >>> the mainline.   "Finally",  I thought,  "New approaches and 
>> >> >> >> >>> solutions.  Hope". 
>> >> >> >> >>> 
>> >> >> >> >>> Ha!  What a joke.  This project has been a let down.   
>> >> >> >> >>> 
>> >> >> >> >>> The technical side has been great.  Really some amazing ideas 
>> >> >> >> >>> and progress.   
>> >> >> >> >>> The individual people are some of the nicest around.  Helpful, 
>> >> >> >> >>> hopeful, and smart.   
>> >> >> >> >>> 
>> >> >> >> >>> But the project?  Absolute disaster.  Every attempt at helpful 
>> >> >> >> >>> feedback has been met with words and no action.   The C4 
>> >> >> >> >>> concept might work in other projects but has produced no fruit 
>> >> >> >> >>> here at all.  Worse, it's prevented normal participation by 
>> >> >> >> >>> increasing the friction. 
>> >> >> >> >>> 
>> >> >> >> >>> Documentation is almost non-existent. Where it exists, it's 
>> >> >> >> >>> often contradictory or just wrong. There are no reference 
>> >> >> >> >>> projects and hardly any videos.  The newsgroup is almost silent 
>> >> >> >> >>> and the gitter channel/matrix room are ghost towns where nobody 
>> >> >> >> >>> answers. 
>> >> >> >> >>> 
>> >> >> >> >>> The project started with a high value for using git (remember 
>> >> >> >> >>> that fork thing?).  Today neither the machinekit-hal or 
>> >> >> >> >>> machinekit-cnc repos have any branches or tags besides master.  
>> >> >> >> >>> Seriously, HOW THE HELL do I find the last known working code!? 
>> >> >> >> >>> 
>> >> >> >> >>> It looks like someone started a major development effort, broke 
>> >> >> >> >>> things, and then walked away and I can't find any discussion 
>> >> >> >> >>> about that initiative.  Why is it so hard to understand what 
>> >> >> >> >>> the hell is going on? 
>> >> >> >> >>> 
>> >> >> >> >>> Look, if the project is dead, say that.  Lead it out to the 
>> >> >> >> >>> pasture and put a bullet in its head and let's get back to 
>> >> >> >> >>> making LinuxCNC better.   
>> >> >> >> >>> 
>> >> >> >> >>> If core contributors don't have time right now to continue 
>> >> >> >> >>> working, can we please take the time to mothball the thing 
>> >> >> >> >>> properly? 
>> >> >> >> >>> 
>> >> >> >> >>> But if somebody thinks there's still value here (and I 
>> >> >> >> >>> seriously hope you do) then for the love of God can we please 
>> >> >> >> >>> do this right?  Can we document what works, consolidate our 
>> >> >> >> >>> communication, and lower the barriers to contribution? 
>> >> >> >> >>> 
>> >> >> >> >>> Does anyone still care? 
>> >> >> >> >>> 
>> >> >> >> >>> Ok, I feel better now. 
>> >> >> >> >>> 
>> >> >> >> >>> 
>> >> >> >> >>> 
>> >> >> >> > 
>> >> >> >> > 
>> >> >> >> > 
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