No problem with moderation, just trying to build some consensus as to what the moderation rules should be. The one liner posts that reduce the signal to noise ratio probably fall more into the bucket of bad net-etiquette and not so much of an off-topic post. The downside of moderation is that some busy volunteer (Cara Q.) will have to slog through every message and give it a thumbs up before anyone else can see it. That removes the immediacy of the conversation and works against building the community. The obvious downside of no moderation is getting email replies consisting of little more than the prose equivalent of "Yup". For me I lean a bit more towards open conversation and occasional divergence from the stated purpose. In the end, I can enjoy the discussion and learn something new in either framework.
CB Justin Harford wrote: > We had a poll where we could vote between letting this list go > unmoderated or keep it moderated, and there were a majority who voted > to moderate it. So its curious that now suddenly there are people > coming out of the woodwork saying that they would like it unmoderated. > > It's one or the other. Merely telling people to be mindful of what > they post is rather pointless since that clearly hasn't worked in the > past. > > And what about those short "I agree" messages, or "way to go so in so" > messages that people send to chat with others? This will also keep > persisting since it practically requires computer savy to make your > client respond to just the sender. Under OS X you have to open the > message, VO space over the sender, and in the context menu that comes > up you have to press enter on "respond to sender" or "new message". > Really no one is going to do that, particularly if they didn't want to > have to worry about the difference between respond to first and > respond all. > > I tend to not say anything about it on this list because on one side, > it seems like something that is inevitable, and on the other side, > something that I see could be annoying. I just couldn't resist making > this observation. > > Justin > > "Don't worry about the world coming to an end today. It's already > tomorrow in Australia." Charles Schultz, creator of the Peanuts comic > strip. > > El 25/03/2009, a las 10:32, Chris Blouch escribió: > > >> I'm certainly guilty of being off topic and worthy of the ban. At the >> same time I'd like to think some lenience for off topic posts which >> have >> broad appeal to this list's readership has some positive benefit to >> the >> community. For myself this is one of the few public mailing list I >> subscribe to. So I both appreciate and try to support some level of >> contributions that are not necessarily Mac/VO related. That said, I am >> not really as interested in reading about new Windows or Jaws features >> via this list. My expectation is that the content will be at around >> 90% >> Mac/VO and the rest general accessibility related. Strict >> enforcement of >> Mac/VO topics control may be impossible on one hand and possibly >> detrimental on the other. >> >> CB >> >> Cara Quinn wrote: >> >>> Hi Greg, well you answered your own question. :-) Anything Mac- >>> related is certainly on topic. >>> >>> I'm sure sorry you feel like this is 'wrath' but I've gotten *many* >>> requests / complaints from list members whom pay for bandwidth, or >>> have limited time in which to read list mail, but whom would really >>> like to stay on the list for it's informational value. However, a >>> lot >>> of the more 'chatty' messages really get in the way for them. >>> >>> So far these people constitute the majority of whom I'm hearing >>> from, so I need to take that as the general list consensus. >>> >>> This is, afterall, your list. If you all said Cara, I want a chat >>> list, then that's what this would be, and I'd never even consider >>> posting the kind of thing I did earlier. -But that's not what you're >>> saying to me. the list is saying that there is too much traffic that >>> isn't relevant, so that's what I'm trying to address as list >>> moderator. Does this make sense?… >>> >>> So, since this is currently the case, when someone deliberately >>> posts something that they, themselves have even labeled as 'Off >>> Topic,' considering that I've posted very nice / polite requests >>> numerous times, I then feel that a post like my earlier one is >>> warranted. I most certainly don't want to ban anyone nor do I want >>> this list to become a tyrannical place which no one enjoys. :-) >>> what's the fun in that? >>> >>> However, if I keep asking nicely yet people keep feeling that it >>> doesn't apply to them and go on posting notes they're kindly asked >>> not >>> to, then I'm not left with much choice in the matter, yes?… >>> >>> In order for this list to work well together, we need to have at >>> least some respect for eachother and awareness that not everyone has >>> the same access to plentiful internet time, nor do we all have the >>> same sorts of leisurely schedules in which to lazily read vast >>> amounts >>> of email. So since we're all different, we just need to find a good >>> consensus we can come to, that's all… >>> >>> Now, you do raise a really good point in the sense of asking >>> exactly what and what is not on-topic, since I'm planning to edit the >>> Welcome message if needed, so I'll try to be as clear as I can. I >>> certainly don't want there to be any ambiguity and I certainly don't >>> want anyone to feel they need to worry about what they're posting. >>> >>> Anyway, I hope this helps answer the question, and I wish you / >>> yours a lovely evening!… >>> >>> Smiles, >>> >>> Cara :) >>> --- >>> View my Online Portfolio at: >>> http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn >>> >>> On Mar 24, 2009, at 3:40 PM, Greg Kearney wrote: >>> >>> >>> Just what qualifies as "off topic" and can there by bring down the >>> wrath of the moderators here. If I had, for example included a post >>> saying that I had worked out a bill scanner under OS X would that be >>> permitted? I think we could stand to grant some slack here so long as >>> it is somewhat related to VO and the Mac and or similar technologies. >>> >>> >>> Greg Kearney >>> 535 S. 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