Hi Gene, that was me. :)

   So as not to get OT here, let me simply say that there are a couple  
of approaches that I've seen to enable accurate use of touch screens  
by the visually impaired. If there are others, I hope peeps will chime  
in to share what they know.

   The first is used by Mobile Speak Pocket  for PDA's which involves  
having the corners of the touch screen used for control.

   The second being designed at Google, uses the starting position of  
the person's finger and then adapts based on gestures that the person  
makes, to give them control over the device.

   Neither of these approaches uses any kind of tactile overlay, and  
in my personal view, this is a good thing. The last thing I'd want  
would be some klugy, inelegant solution. :)

   I think both of these approaches could be used with the IPhone and  
with the current surge in haptic technology, that could also come,  
very much into play to assist in making the IPhone accessible.

   Hope this makes sense and perhaps others here know more?…

   Have a terrific weekend!…

Smiles,

Cara  :)
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On May 29, 2009, at 10:27 AM, gene wrote:


Hi some one on here said that visually empaired people are already using
touch screens, but the thing I'm trying to figure out is unless apple  
comes
up with a tactile overlay or something, I don't understand how a totally
blind person is supposed to be able to use one of these things.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jessi and Goldina" <sanginsista3...@gmail.com>
To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 8:53 AM
Subject: Re: very nice experience at University Village Apple Store in
Seattle Washington


>
> I don't think you're wrong. I'm sure it's only a matter of time. like
> someone else said it seemed people were freaking out when the GUI
> interface came to computers and people found ways to make it
> accessible to us so I'm sure the same will be done for touch screens
> in time. I can't think of how it might be done, but there are people
> with more genius minds than mine lol! something can always be done!!
> peace and positivity
> Jessi
> follow me on twitter www.twitter.com/canadian_diva
> On 29-May-09, at 2:47 AM, Vicki Manley wrote:
>
>>
>> Hmmm,
>> I guess you could beright too.
>> Maybe i wasn't wrong.
>> I've seen so many people with iphones and have always wanted it to be
>> made speech accessible.
>> Best wishes,
>> Vicki.
>> On 28 May 2009, at 20:34, Jessi and Goldina wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> agreed, Arthur, lol.
>>> if you're gonna take that approach about the iphone and firefox and
>>> their various addons and apps why don't you just say that about
>>> voiceover as a whole? what it seems like you're saying is let's not
>>> make the iphone accessible cuz none of the apps will be. well then,
>>> let's not make the mac accessible because of all those apps that
>>> aren't made by apple that may not be. that seems like a silly
>>> approach. I'm sure there will be plenty of iphone apps that will be
>>> accessible. as the word about accessibility grows, app developers
>>> will
>>> most likely strive to make their products accessible. they've done  
>>> so
>>> on the mac, so I don't see why they wouldn't on the iphone.
>>>
>>> I'm sure apple will do it, it's only a matter of time. let's not be
>>> all negative and try and shoot down something that could benefit us.
>>> the iphone will still be the iphone whether it's accessible or not.
>>> peace and positivity
>>> Jessi
>>> follow me on twitter www.twitter.com/canadian_diva
>>> On 28-May-09, at 12:23 PM, arthur gindin wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> spamming hardly befits a "distinguished" person
>>>>
>>>> Sean Tikkun wrote:
>>>>> Can folks on this board help me out here?  I don't see the point
>>>>> of
>>>>> an accessible iPhone.  The fluid dynamic of screen touch  
>>>>> technology
>>>>> combined with GUI interface seems like it is just a counter
>>>>> accessible
>>>>> design form the get go.  Once you make the thing accessible it is
>>>>> no
>>>>> longer an iPhone.  I may not be far enough outside the box, but
>>>>> even
>>>>> if the iPhone were made accessible then all of the apps would  
>>>>> still
>>>>> not be.  It is the same issue with Firefox.  If Firefox wanted to
>>>>> be
>>>>> accessible, they would be!  From my understanding the mark-up is
>>>>> there.  The code for using it is free to the programmers and
>>>>> developers...  They just don't care to do it.
>>>>> Shouldn't we be e-mail spamming Firefox to get with the program?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Sean Richards Tikkun
>>>>> Apple Distinghuished Educator
>>>>> class of 2007
>>>>> jaq...@mac.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On May 28, 2009, at 5:20 AM, Vicki Manley wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>> That would be so ace if they brought out an accessible i  
>>>>>> phone!!!!
>>>>>> What a really great suggestion!!!
>>>>>> Best wishes,
>>>>>> Vicki.
>>>>>> On 28 May 2009, at 06:37, Ben King wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dear Mac Friends,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am writing you to let you know about an experience I had today
>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>> the University Village Apple Store in Seattle Washington.  The
>>>>>>> person
>>>>>>> that I spoke to was very nice and he asked me what I would like
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> see
>>>>>>> improved in regards to Voiceover.  I told him that Fire Fox  
>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>> nice with Voiceover support as well as maybe an accessible I
>>>>>>> Phone.
>>>>>>> Anyway, it was extremely nice for me to go into an Apple Store
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> play with main stream technology.  I love Voiceover as well as
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> Mac.  I hope you all have a nice evening.
>>>>>>> Blessings,
>>>>>>> Ben King
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>
>>
>>>>
>
>
> >


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