I'd need to agree with this.
It's ridiculous to encourage the abandonment of a feature simply
because you yourself might not like it or want to use it.
As long as it's not interfering with your use of the product,
complaining about it is really moot at best, and detrimental at worst.
Just because scripting is present, doesn't mean the entire VO
paradigm is coming crashing down. :)
If you'd like developers to pay attention to the quality of their
products, then simply do as we've always done and offer them detailed,
positive feedback and suggestions and there's no reason to expect
they'd not work with us as they have in the past.
I for one, really am glad that Snowie has all of the new features
it does though. Personally I really, thankfully have no need to
initiate apps from within keyboard commander, but having that ability
may sure come in handy in ways I, at present, am not thinking of, so
if that day comes, then terrific that I have access to this, and for
now, I'll simply enjoy all of the other keyboard commander features as
I do.
I'm also personally really looking forward to scripting VO. The
possibilities here are endless!…
to get back to keyboard commander here for just one second, I
personally am using it now for a couple of really cool things.
• I have my right option key enabled and can press option / to
route my mouse pointer really quickly.
• I'm also using a key combo to switch quickly, on the fly, between
groups and DOM modes.
So this is really an important feature addition in my book. woohoo!…
anyway, this is of course, just my two cents. So take it or leave
it. :)
Thanks very much for this discussion! You all super rock!
Smiles,
Cara :)
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On Sep 7, 2009, at 10:25 AM, Ryan Mann wrote:
I think that if you don't like using scripts with screen readers, then
don't use them. It's silly to ask Apple to take out a feature of
VoiceOver that some people might want. If the mac gets more popular,
some blind people might have to use an application for a job. If that
application doesn't work out of the box, custome scripts should be an
option.
n Sep 7, 2009, at 1:17 PM, Jes Smith wrote:
>
> That sounds like a good idea.
>
>
> On Sep 7, 2009, at 12:58 PM, dannyboy wrote:
>
>>
>> I am in full agreement that voice over needs not to be full of
>> scripts
>> to do everything for us. Maybe we could write to accessibil...@apple.com
>> and share our thoughts on this.
>> On Sep 7, 2009, at 7:52 AM, Jes Smith wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Hi all.
>>>
>>> I am greatly concerned that voice over now has support for
>>> scripting.
>>> Especially now that you can make voice over launch an application
>>> with
>>> a single script. I'm not talking about glancing at the time or
>>> seeing
>>> how many unread messages you have in mail. I'm talking about opening
>>> up apps like mail or Safari from within Voice OVer. I am concerned
>>> that voice over is starting to become a bit like Jaws, and that if
>>> we
>>> don't get a grip on it now, voice over will become Jaws for
>>> Macintosh.
>>> I, like Mike Arrigo, don't feel that launching apps is something
>>> that
>>> should be implemented in a screen reader. Also, I fear that the use
>>> of
>>> apple scripts will replace the responsibility of an application
>>> developer to make their application accessible right out of the box.
>>> On the Windows side, if something isn't accessible with Jaws, you
>>> just
>>> download scripts for it. What if you go to another person's computer
>>> and they don't have the scripts for the app you are trying to use?
>>> It's my belief that a certain article from the NFB prompted this
>>> scripting support. Folks, the thing I like about voice over is that
>>> it
>>> gives the blind user the same conceptual layout and information as
>>> it
>>> appears on the screen to a sighted user. No other screen reader does
>>> this, and we should keep voice over as a screen reader, and let it
>>> be.
>>> If we don't, eventually, when we try and contact an Apple developer,
>>> they will either ignore us, or will say, "Well, just download the
>>> scripts for my application and you will have access."
>>> Any thoughts? If someone disagrees with me, I'd love to hear your
>>> arguments, not so that I can persuade you to agree with me, but so
>>> that I can have a new perspective.
>>>
>>> Jes
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>
>>
>>>
>
>
>>
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