Perhaps you could contact Acessibility and ask them as well the folks at Opera. Perhaps if we keep an eye on the situation and keep asking them FireFox will be usable to. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Krister Ekstrom" <kris...@kristersplace.com> To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 9:57 AM Subject: Re: Voice Over with Apple Scripts, must get this off my chest
> > Hi, > I don't know if this is strictly a script issue, but as i wrote in a > mail earlier in this thread, i'm afraid that making more and more > "wild" things with the screen reader is forcing us to use one and only > one developers programs. Of course we should be able to use Apples own > programs, but we should also have the freedom of choice that is > provided to sighted people. If i for some reason should prefer Opera > over Safari, i should be able to use Opera with about the seam > experience as with other browsers, and if we start doing things like > web spots, sweet spots, page summaries and such it should be available > for all browsers alike. That should at least be a goal. > I say this because i have looked a little at Opera and none of the > special features like web spots, page summaries and the like are > available. Whether it's a browser issue, a voiceover issue, a > scripting thing or some other thing i don't know. > /Krister > /Krister > > 7 sep 2009 kl. 20.36 skrev Chris Hofstader: > >> >> The major reason between JAWS and its scripting facility is that it >> *must* have scripts to function. Just making VO scriptable doesn't >> make it any more reliant on scripts than it is today but with >> something like AppleScript, one can add some finesse to how VO >> interacts with certain applications and add some of the real wow stuff >> that is impossible in a screen reader without such a facility. >> >> cdh >> On Sep 7, 2009, at 1:17 PM, Jes Smith wrote: >> >>> >>> That sounds like a good idea. >>> >>> >>> On Sep 7, 2009, at 12:58 PM, dannyboy wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> I am in full agreement that voice over needs not to be full of >>>> scripts >>>> to do everything for us. Maybe we could write to >>>> accessibil...@apple.com >>>> and share our thoughts on this. >>>> On Sep 7, 2009, at 7:52 AM, Jes Smith wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hi all. >>>>> >>>>> I am greatly concerned that voice over now has support for >>>>> scripting. >>>>> Especially now that you can make voice over launch an application >>>>> with >>>>> a single script. I'm not talking about glancing at the time or >>>>> seeing >>>>> how many unread messages you have in mail. I'm talking about >>>>> opening >>>>> up apps like mail or Safari from within Voice OVer. I am concerned >>>>> that voice over is starting to become a bit like Jaws, and that if >>>>> we >>>>> don't get a grip on it now, voice over will become Jaws for >>>>> Macintosh. >>>>> I, like Mike Arrigo, don't feel that launching apps is something >>>>> that >>>>> should be implemented in a screen reader. Also, I fear that the use >>>>> of >>>>> apple scripts will replace the responsibility of an application >>>>> developer to make their application accessible right out of the >>>>> box. >>>>> On the Windows side, if something isn't accessible with Jaws, you >>>>> just >>>>> download scripts for it. What if you go to another person's >>>>> computer >>>>> and they don't have the scripts for the app you are trying to use? >>>>> It's my belief that a certain article from the NFB prompted this >>>>> scripting support. Folks, the thing I like about voice over is that >>>>> it >>>>> gives the blind user the same conceptual layout and information as >>>>> it >>>>> appears on the screen to a sighted user. No other screen reader >>>>> does >>>>> this, and we should keep voice over as a screen reader, and let it >>>>> be. >>>>> If we don't, eventually, when we try and contact an Apple >>>>> developer, >>>>> they will either ignore us, or will say, "Well, just download the >>>>> scripts for my application and you will have access." >>>>> Any thoughts? If someone disagrees with me, I'd love to hear your >>>>> arguments, not so that I can persuade you to agree with me, but so >>>>> that I can have a new perspective. >>>>> >>>>> Jes >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>> >>> >>>> >> >> >> > > > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
