Smile, thank you very much. On 2009-10-21, at 8:41 PM, Ryan Mann wrote: > > You can see the commands that are set up by default by doing the > following: > 1. Open VoiceOver utility. > 2. Interact with the Utility categories table and vo+downarrow to the > commands category, then stop interacting. > 3. Select the Keyboard tab. > 4. Vo+rightarrow and you should hear a checkbox to enable keyboard > commander. Check that box. > 5. Vo+rightarrow again and you should hear "keyboard commander > table." Interact with that table. After you interact with that > table, you should be able to use the usual VoiceOver navigation > commands to hear what commands are set. > n Oct 21, 2009, at 10:50 PM, May McDonald wrote: > >> >> Hmm, that's really good to know. Is there a place where I can find >> other commands the apple script has? I guess I'll go check that >> option now. >> On 2009-10-21, at 7:27 PM, Ryan Mann wrote: >> >>> >>> Hello. If you're running Snow Leopard and you have Voiceover set to >>> allow it to be controled by Apple Script, you can hit option+t to >>> check the time. >>> >>> On Oct 21, 2009, at 8:16 PM, peter apgar wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> well said all, >>>> >>>> there are several cool factors for the mac os. one of which is >>>> the >>>> fact that we don't have to pay extra for the accessibility. >>>> however >>>> the largest down fall is the majority of work places do not support >>>> OSX. for this reason alone i only have limited time to explore its >>>> virtues. i will second the same issues that Donna posted >>>> previously. additionally i have found that there is a lot more >>>> interaction for simple tasks. double the key strokes for the same >>>> actions as in ms is just a minor peev. i am quite worried that >>>> running two or possibly three systems may become overwhelming when >>>> begining a graduate program. i guess only time will tell. has any >>>> one written code for a quick check of the time? >>>> >>>> Have good evening, >>>> >>>> Pete >>>> On Oct 21, 2009, at 11:51 AM, May McDonald wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hi all, I guess I'll jump in on this thread as well. I haven't >>>>> had >>>>> my >>>>> mac for 2 months yet, but pretty close. >>>>> >>>>> I'm amazed that I was able to make the switch so easily to the >>>>> mac. >>>>> In fact, now whenever I have to use a windows machine I finder >>>>> it a >>>>> little harder to think of the windows commands because they aren't >>>>> used by me all the time anymore, smile. >>>>> >>>>> I will be putting windows 7 on this mac but again it won't be used >>>>> all >>>>> the time, only for scanning because I liked my scanning software >>>>> for >>>>> windows and to play games. Other than that, it will be hidden >>>>> behind >>>>> mac. >>>>> >>>>> I'm glad I made the switch and now go back to the basics and >>>>> figure >>>>> out how sly and vo work, lol. >>>>> On 2009-10-21, at 8:41 AM, Donna Goodin wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Wow, Nic, you are a determined soul! :) I'm glad that after all >>>>>> you >>>>>> had to go through with the install, the Mac turned out to suit >>>>>> your >>>>>> needs. >>>>>> >>>>>> You people who have taken so readily to web-browsing on the Mac, >>>>>> fascinate me. I keep playing with it, hoping to come to the same >>>>>> conclusion, but it just doesn't happen. For example, I am >>>>>> currently >>>>>> job-hunting, and the other night, received a job match from a >>>>>> site I >>>>>> am registered with. When Safari loaded the page and auto-read, >>>>>> it >>>>>> read everything just as you would expect. But then, I decided I >>>>>> wanted to take a second look at the preferred qualifications. I >>>>>> couldn't find them to save my soul! I arrowed around, I >>>>>> interacted >>>>>> with stuff, and nothing. So, I booted up my Pc, went into IE, >>>>>> and >>>>>> found what I was looking for in two seconds. And I still have no >>>>>> clue >>>>>> what I should have done to locate that info in Safari. I often >>>>>> feel >>>>>> like because of all the interacting and stuff, that viewing a >>>>>> webpage >>>>>> in Safari is like looking at it through tinted glass or through a >>>>>> veil >>>>>> that only lets you see the outline of what you're looking at. >>>>>> Links >>>>>> of course are no problem, it's the text content that is often >>>>>> very >>>>>> difficult to locate. >>>>>> >>>>>> I highly recommend the iphone, I've found it to be a delightful >>>>>> little >>>>>> toy, um, I mean, device. *grin* >>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>> Donna >>>>>> On Oct 21, 2009, at 11:03 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Definitely quite an interesting story. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I got my Mac on August 1. It was actually an odd experience. I >>>>>>> went >>>>>>> to >>>>>>> an Apple store a couple weeks prior to my purchase just to try >>>>>>> it >>>>>>> out. >>>>>>> I had attempted to use OS X 10.4, Tiger in the past at an >>>>>>> institute >>>>>>> for the blind, but I actually didn't like it. I thought it was >>>>>>> quite >>>>>>> literally a pile of crap. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I start listening to podcasts that sighted and blind users have >>>>>>> done >>>>>>> for the Macintosh, and figure I'll give it another shot. I >>>>>>> finally >>>>>>> decided to purchase a Mac, because I had frankly become >>>>>>> extremely >>>>>>> frustrated with Windows and most certainly Vista. XP has always >>>>>>> been >>>>>>> my favorite if I do have to use Windows. I'd become tired of how >>>>>>> many >>>>>>> things you needed for Windows to work efficiently. Sometimes you >>>>>>> had >>>>>>> to worry about corrupted files, leftovers from previously >>>>>>> installed >>>>>>> applications, that sort of thing not to mention the registry. >>>>>>> The >>>>>>> headache. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So I decided to take the plunge. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I read through the entire VoiceOver manual the day before I went >>>>>>> back >>>>>>> to the store, and wrote down notes for the things I figured I'd >>>>>>> mostly >>>>>>> be using for a while. When I arrived at the store, I went to try >>>>>>> it >>>>>>> out again to make sure a Mac would be what I desired. It >>>>>>> definitely >>>>>>> was. So much that, in fact, that even though they only had a >>>>>>> showroom >>>>>>> floor model at the time, I grabbed it. The cleaned it off >>>>>>> thoroughly, >>>>>>> wrapped it up and tossed the DVDs I'd need in the box. I was >>>>>>> happy. >>>>>>> So >>>>>>> very happy. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I arrive home, and I'm practically tingling with excitement. I >>>>>>> almost >>>>>>> rip the box apart (taking care of the DVDs of course), get out >>>>>>> my >>>>>>> shiny Macbook and hook it up. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Oh no! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> What I did know was that I had to reinstall it, but I didn't >>>>>>> care. I >>>>>>> didn't want any of that junk on it they had installed to >>>>>>> advertise. >>>>>>> So >>>>>>> i went ahead. I rebooted it, held down the C-key when the >>>>>>> installation >>>>>>> DVD had been sucked into the Mac and I heard the startup sound. >>>>>>> It >>>>>>> displayed the finder and spat out the DVD. Literally. So I >>>>>>> decided >>>>>>> that apparently wasn't working for whatever reason. I located >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> installer DVD in the finder and open it. Authentication. God >>>>>>> dang >>>>>>> it! >>>>>>> Behold the password box. I was required to enter a password to >>>>>>> proceed. Of course, the Macbook had not been set to require a >>>>>>> password >>>>>>> at login. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I call them at the store, and ask them for a password. I told >>>>>>> them >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> C-key solution had not worked to boot from the DVD, and they >>>>>>> promptly >>>>>>> complied with my request. They gave me several passwords to >>>>>>> enter, >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> I did. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "The name or password you entered is incorrect." >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I went back to the store, and they had a look at it. Most >>>>>>> annoying >>>>>>> of >>>>>>> all was that finally, the C-key actually seemed to work. I was >>>>>>> installing it when I got home. By this point, I was like a kid >>>>>>> on >>>>>>> his >>>>>>> birthday. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I thought I'd share my experience with all of you on the list. >>>>>>> Yes, I >>>>>>> am aware it's probably quite long-winded. But what can you do? I >>>>>>> do >>>>>>> run Windows as a virtual machine, but only to MUD. I do >>>>>>> sometimes >>>>>>> find >>>>>>> it kind of annoying having to run two programs just to scan and >>>>>>> recognize the image. That is why I liked Omnipage, and there has >>>>>>> to >>>>>>> be >>>>>>> a solution out there that does exactly the same. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> As for my web browsing experience, everything is much more >>>>>>> smooth >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> responsive. I can easily find what I want by using the search >>>>>>> feature >>>>>>> in VoiceOver, and ever since Leopard was released the web rotor >>>>>>> makes >>>>>>> it even easier, not to mention Auto web spots. So yes, I do use >>>>>>> Windows. Rarely, but I do. And I'm definitely not ashamed to >>>>>>> admit >>>>>>> it. >>>>>>> But if a MUD client was accessible to VoiceOver, I would not >>>>>>> touch >>>>>>> it >>>>>>> again. I've found my experience with Mac has not only been >>>>>>> productive, >>>>>>> but fun and enjoyable where as with Windows, I wanted to throw >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> machine through the window half the time I was using it due to >>>>>>> freezes, driver errors and so-forth. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Well, I think I'm done now. I want an iPhone, now that you >>>>>>> mention >>>>>>> it, >>>>>>> but at the same time you don't always need to have the latest >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> greatest. And I need to realize that. :P. Yes, I loved the >>>>>>> iPhone >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> I'm used to the gestures since I use my trackpad quite a lot, >>>>>>> but >>>>>>> at >>>>>>> the same time, I need a phone for text messaging and phone >>>>>>> calls. >>>>>>> That >>>>>>> is about it. It'll probably be faster to accomplish those tasks >>>>>>> with >>>>>>> the iPhone, I have no doubt about it. Maybe one day I'll even >>>>>>> get >>>>>>> one. >>>>>>> But when I find a really good reason except for all the apps you >>>>>>> can >>>>>>> seemingly install with no issues, perfectly usable, then I won't >>>>>>> buy >>>>>>> one. Besides, who wants to pay $99.95 for an iPhone plan in >>>>>>> Denmark? >>>>>>> Not me. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Have a great afternoon, folks. I at least know those living in >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> Eastern timezone are approaching lunch time. :) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>> Nic >>>>>>> Skype: Kvalme >>>>>>> MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk >>>>>>> AIM: cincinster >>>>>>> yahoo Messenger: cin368 >>>>>>> Facebook Profile >>>>>>> My Twitter >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Oct 21, 2009, at 4:17 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi all, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I Thought I'd weigh in here, since I got my Mac around the same >>>>>>>> time >>>>>>>> almost, I'm going on three months now. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I agree with Anouk, and would add that I often find it's easier >>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>> use my PC for work-related tasks. As I mentioned earlier, I >>>>>>>> use >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> ap Blackboard, which I have to use Windows for, as Safari isn't >>>>>>>> currently supported.. Since I'm logged into Blackboard most >>>>>>>> days, >>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>> sort of automatically means I'm using my PC, and the Mac gets >>>>>>>> relegated to after-hours. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I also still strongly prefer web-browsing on my PC. I've had >>>>>>>> so >>>>>>>> many >>>>>>>> experiences where on the Mac I simply cannot locate an item >>>>>>>> that I >>>>>>>> know is on a certain page. This never happens to me on the >>>>>>>> PC. I >>>>>>>> find >>>>>>>> that when browsing, I can do things in half the time on my PC, >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> sometimes on the Mac, even after spending the extra time, I >>>>>>>> don't >>>>>>>> find >>>>>>>> what I'm looking for, and end up going back to the PC anyway. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I'm an avid reader, and so do a lot of scanning. I really don't >>>>>>>> like >>>>>>>> the idea of having to use two separate programs, one for >>>>>>>> scanning >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> one for the OCR, especially when I have one program on my PC >>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>> will >>>>>>>> do both jobs quite nicely. This of course isn't an Apple >>>>>>>> issue, >>>>>>>> but I >>>>>>>> do think that for many of us who are blind, the lack of a good >>>>>>>> solid >>>>>>>> scanning/ocr option, is a real obstacle in terms of seeing the >>>>>>>> Mac >>>>>>>> as >>>>>>>> a PC replacement. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Like Anouk, I've also pretty much decided to keep both a Mac >>>>>>>> and a >>>>>>>> PC. at least for now, though I confess I'm tempted some days >>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>> just >>>>>>>> go back to my PC, in the interest of running just one OS on one >>>>>>>> computer. When I got my Mac, I had hoped not to upgrade to >>>>>>>> JAWS >>>>>>>> 11 >>>>>>>> and Windows 7, but it looks like I'll be getting both. I use my >>>>>>>> PC >>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>> work, for scanning, and for most of my web browsing, which is >>>>>>>> 90% >>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>> what I do. I like the Mac a lot. I like that VO is built >>>>>>>> in, I >>>>>>>> like >>>>>>>> the speed and responsiveness of the Mac, I like the fact that >>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>> doesn't take a year to boot or load an ap, and I like working >>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>> Itunes (I'm still running 8.2.), and I think the Mac seems to >>>>>>>> be >>>>>>>> far >>>>>>>> superior in how it works with Media. But the PC is what I go to >>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>> the things I really need to get done. I think for me, my >>>>>>>> experience >>>>>>>> with the Mac reflects my experience with the iphone. When I >>>>>>>> compare >>>>>>>> my iphone with my old Windows Mobile phone, the iphone is much >>>>>>>> more >>>>>>>> fun! I love the aps, the games, the ability to quickly do >>>>>>>> things >>>>>>>> like >>>>>>>> check weather, whereas my WM phone was loaded with all kinds of >>>>>>>> practical stuff for editing documents spreadsheets, powerpoint, >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> so >>>>>>>> on. I don't want to do any of that stuff on my phone, so for >>>>>>>> me, >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> iphone is by far the better fit. but when it comes to a >>>>>>>> computer, >>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>> cuts the other way, and I find myself favoring the PC which >>>>>>>> seems >>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>> lend itself more to the day-to-day things I need to get done. >>>>>>>> Best, >>>>>>>> Donna >>>>>>>> On Oct 21, 2009, at 5:05 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi again folks, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Yes, broadcasts can certainly be done. Nicecast from Rogue >>>>>>>>> Amoeba >>>>>>>>> http://rogueamoeba.com >>>>>>>>> works extremely well. The only issue seems to be the effects >>>>>>>>> scroll >>>>>>>>> area, but I hope they'll be working on that. Otherwise, it >>>>>>>>> works >>>>>>>>> ridiculously well, in fact, and I have nothing to complain >>>>>>>>> about. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I'm not exactly sure about your Thumbkey thing. I don't get >>>>>>>>> it. >>>>>>>>> If >>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>> can elaborate? Maybe I'm being dense here. :). >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> As for VLC, I've never actually tried it out, and I personally >>>>>>>>> love >>>>>>>>> using Safari for web browsing. For me, everything is much >>>>>>>>> faster. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Also, which braille display are you using? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>> Nic >>>>>>>>> Skype: Kvalme >>>>>>>>> MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk >>>>>>>>> AIM: cincinster >>>>>>>>> yahoo Messenger: cin368 >>>>>>>>> Facebook Profile >>>>>>>>> My Twitter >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Oct 21, 2009, at 10:22 AM, Tony Bernedal wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi again. >>>>>>>>>> Wow. Echomac, never heard of it but when I google it I found >>>>>>>>>> http://echomac.sourceforge.net/ >>>>>>>>>> I'll try it when I'm back home from work. >>>>>>>>>> Anouk, I had a fire dtv reciever and used it with dvb viewer >>>>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>>>> windows and Eye tv have driver for it so I gave it a try but >>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>> doesn't work as I want at the moment. >>>>>>>>>> I have readiris on the disk and I'm going to try it out and >>>>>>>>>> see >>>>>>>>>> how >>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>> works with swedish language and so on. >>>>>>>>>> I have heard of some broadcast tools for mac but at the >>>>>>>>>> moment I >>>>>>>>>> haven't looked in to it. I don't broadcast at the moment so >>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>> doesn't >>>>>>>>>> have so high priority. I still have my studio pc sitting >>>>>>>>>> under >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> desk so I can use stationplaylist and all the broadcast stuff >>>>>>>>>> if I >>>>>>>>>> want to. >>>>>>>>>> Regards Tony >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 2009/10/21, a radix <anou...@home.nl>: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Hey Tony, Nice to hear from you! (the world is a small >>>>>>>>>>> place) >>>>>>>>>>> Funny >>>>>>>>>>> we >>>>>>>>>>> started our mac journey at the seem time. I am curious, can >>>>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>>>> broadcast on >>>>>>>>>>> the mac? I guess otsjuke wont work and obiously shoutcast >>>>>>>>>>> wont >>>>>>>>>>> either. I was >>>>>>>>>>> thinking of running windows with vmware but now I am just >>>>>>>>>>> thinking >>>>>>>>>>> to ask my >>>>>>>>>>> brother to help me install windows 7 via bootcamp instead. >>>>>>>>>>> Has >>>>>>>>>>> anyone got >>>>>>>>>>> experience with installing windows via bootcamp as dual >>>>>>>>>>> boot? >>>>>>>>>>> Is >>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>> diffucult? I presume the drivers for windows 7 for the >>>>>>>>>>> macbook >>>>>>>>>>> pro >>>>>>>>>>> will be >>>>>>>>>>> available from apple? I still want to try vuescan an >>>>>>>>>>> dreadiris, >>>>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>>> fact i >>>>>>>>>>> have the programs on my computer bu tI want to wait till hp >>>>>>>>>>> releases the >>>>>>>>>>> drivers for my scanner that are native to sl, also I hope by >>>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>>> time abbyy >>>>>>>>>>> will have released a demo of finereader for the mac that is >>>>>>>>>>> native >>>>>>>>>>> to sl. I >>>>>>>>>>> am just concerned that either adf wont work, scanning iwll >>>>>>>>>>> be >>>>>>>>>>> very >>>>>>>>>>> slow or >>>>>>>>>>> dutch character recognition wont be as good as omnipage. >>>>>>>>>>> I am surprised that you also have the thumbkey problem, i >>>>>>>>>>> thought >>>>>>>>>>> it was >>>>>>>>>>> something stupid on my part, corrupt install whatever. I >>>>>>>>>>> guess >>>>>>>>>>> we >>>>>>>>>>> will both >>>>>>>>>>> have to mail apple accessibility about this. >>>>>>>>>>> So, you are using a tv tuner with your mac? This is the next >>>>>>>>>>> thing >>>>>>>>>>> i want to >>>>>>>>>>> taccle since now I have an analog tv standing on my desk and >>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>> taking up >>>>>>>>>>> space that I could use otherwise. I did have digital tv in >>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>> past >>>>>>>>>>> bu tI >>>>>>>>>>> had a lot of trouble with it and in the end just went back >>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>> analog. There >>>>>>>>>>> are not that many tuners for the mac I think (analog or >>>>>>>>>>> otherwise) >>>>>>>>>>> and I >>>>>>>>>>> guess even less that are available in Europe. Which do you >>>>>>>>>>> use? I >>>>>>>>>>> guess as >>>>>>>>>>> long as I get one with a remote things will be ok (if it >>>>>>>>>>> indeed >>>>>>>>>>> can >>>>>>>>>>> find the >>>>>>>>>>> channels). >>>>>>>>>>> I too LOVE the sleep features of the mac, i never turn mine >>>>>>>>>>> off, >>>>>>>>>>> just close >>>>>>>>>>> the lid and thats it. >>>>>>>>>>> Greetings, Anouk, >>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>>>> From: "Tony Bernedal" <t...@bernedal.net> >>>>>>>>>>> To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 9:16 AM >>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: my 2 months with a mac >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Anouk. >>>>>>>>>>>> I have also used my mac for around 3 months now, and like >>>>>>>>>>>> you I >>>>>>>>>>>> still >>>>>>>>>>>> use windows for a couple of things. I trying to get the >>>>>>>>>>>> scanning >>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>> ocr to work on the mac but for now windows and omnipage >>>>>>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>> do >>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>> jobb. I had a license for windows xp lying on the shelf >>>>>>>>>>>> from a >>>>>>>>>>>> no >>>>>>>>>>>> longer working laptop and I installed xp with vmware as a >>>>>>>>>>>> virtual >>>>>>>>>>>> machine and doing my scanning there and it works good but >>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>> virtual >>>>>>>>>>>> machine is very slow. I also use windows for Echolink, wich >>>>>>>>>>>> is a >>>>>>>>>>>> ham-radio software wich don't exist on the mac. Also the >>>>>>>>>>>> software >>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>> setup and program my hamradio stations is only windows >>>>>>>>>>>> programs. >>>>>>>>>>>> I'm >>>>>>>>>>>> very happy mac user now and after some updates to snow >>>>>>>>>>>> leopard >>>>>>>>>>>> my >>>>>>>>>>>> problems with it is gone. >>>>>>>>>>>> I hope the issue with the thumbkey on your display can be >>>>>>>>>>>> solved. I >>>>>>>>>>>> have same issue with alva satelite. >>>>>>>>>>>> I also have a battle with EyeTV software wich for some odd >>>>>>>>>>>> reason >>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't find my tv channels on the cable network. And it is >>>>>>>>>>>> also >>>>>>>>>>>> very >>>>>>>>>>>> tricky to use with VO. I use VLC for webradio and movies >>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>>> works >>>>>>>>>>>> great (vlc version 1.x doesn't work under windows and linux >>>>>>>>>>>> at >>>>>>>>>>>> all >>>>>>>>>>>> with screenreader, only on mac, great!). >>>>>>>>>>>> And I also like the speed, starting my windows pc here at >>>>>>>>>>>> works >>>>>>>>>>>> take >>>>>>>>>>>> forever and the mac is at the desktop in almost 0 time. >>>>>>>>>>>> And, >>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>> sleep >>>>>>>>>>>> works well too. >>>>>>>>>>>> So I'm happy with my mac system. >>>>>>>>>>>> Good luck with your mac! >>>>>>>>>>>> Regards Tony >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> 2009/10/21, a radix <anou...@home.nl>: >>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello, I have been using my mac for about 2 months now >>>>>>>>>>>>> especially >>>>>>>>>>>>> at >>>>>>>>>>>>> school >>>>>>>>>>>>> although at home I still often use my pc and I will >>>>>>>>>>>>> explain >>>>>>>>>>>>> below >>>>>>>>>>>>> why. In >>>>>>>>>>>>> general my experiences with the mac have been very >>>>>>>>>>>>> positive >>>>>>>>>>>>> especially >>>>>>>>>>>>> after >>>>>>>>>>>>> installing snow leopard. I can use skype and msn just as >>>>>>>>>>>>> well >>>>>>>>>>>>> as >>>>>>>>>>>>> on my >>>>>>>>>>>>> pc. >>>>>>>>>>>>> And after I dumped itunes and started using vlc instead >>>>>>>>>>>>> watching >>>>>>>>>>>>> movies >>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>> listening to music became a breeze. I recently bought >>>>>>>>>>>>> apples >>>>>>>>>>>>> office suite >>>>>>>>>>>>> because I prefer that over using textedit or the free text >>>>>>>>>>>>> editors/office >>>>>>>>>>>>> suits that are available. I am also intending to go and >>>>>>>>>>>>> use >>>>>>>>>>>>> garage band >>>>>>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>>>>> the future if I can get that working with my yamaha >>>>>>>>>>>>> keyboard. I >>>>>>>>>>>>> like the >>>>>>>>>>>>> built-in speakers and sound quality alhtough listening >>>>>>>>>>>>> through >>>>>>>>>>>>> its sound >>>>>>>>>>>>> output with my own in ear monitors is nothing special. I >>>>>>>>>>>>> still >>>>>>>>>>>>> find using >>>>>>>>>>>>> the internet on the mac a bit mor ework then i did while >>>>>>>>>>>>> using >>>>>>>>>>>>> my >>>>>>>>>>>>> pc and >>>>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>>>> goes a bit slower also when reading docucments i notice >>>>>>>>>>>>> that I >>>>>>>>>>>>> cannot >>>>>>>>>>>>> endlessly use the right thumb key on my braille display to >>>>>>>>>>>>> continue >>>>>>>>>>>>> reading, >>>>>>>>>>>>> eventually i have to press the right arrow on my normal >>>>>>>>>>>>> keyboard >>>>>>>>>>>>> if I >>>>>>>>>>>>> want >>>>>>>>>>>>> to read onm. This does become irritating after a while if >>>>>>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>>>>>> need to >>>>>>>>>>>>> read >>>>>>>>>>>>> long documents. >>>>>>>>>>>>> At home I still mostly use my windows pc although i now >>>>>>>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>>>>>>> gotten mail >>>>>>>>>>>>> working on the mac as well because 1. I use omnipage pro >>>>>>>>>>>>> 16 >>>>>>>>>>>>> under >>>>>>>>>>>>> windows >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>> scan my books for school, while I know that there are some >>>>>>>>>>>>> scanning >>>>>>>>>>>>> solutions for the mac that i will probbably try once the >>>>>>>>>>>>> hp >>>>>>>>>>>>> drivers for >>>>>>>>>>>>> sl >>>>>>>>>>>>> have been released I just dont know if they will be as >>>>>>>>>>>>> good >>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>> easy as >>>>>>>>>>>>> using omnipage pro 16 and am a bit hesistant to try it >>>>>>>>>>>>> because >>>>>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>>>> that (I >>>>>>>>>>>>> really really hope that a full version of finereader will >>>>>>>>>>>>> eventually be >>>>>>>>>>>>> released for the mac since I have heard it can rival >>>>>>>>>>>>> omnipage >>>>>>>>>>>>> pro). >>>>>>>>>>>>> Secondly there is filesharing, i will be brief. Ftp does >>>>>>>>>>>>> work >>>>>>>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>>>>>>> the mac >>>>>>>>>>>>> with transmit which I rather like although I have not >>>>>>>>>>>>> registered >>>>>>>>>>>>> it yet, >>>>>>>>>>>>> questions i asked its support team went unanswered. Usenet >>>>>>>>>>>>> also >>>>>>>>>>>>> works but >>>>>>>>>>>>> udner windows I preferred to use other programs which are >>>>>>>>>>>>> not >>>>>>>>>>>>> available >>>>>>>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>>>>>>> the mac. >>>>>>>>>>>>> The third point is playing games which I do a lot on the >>>>>>>>>>>>> pec >>>>>>>>>>>>> especially >>>>>>>>>>>>> interactive fiction and muds. There is an interpreter for >>>>>>>>>>>>> interactive >>>>>>>>>>>>> fiction called zoom which I tried and although I can open >>>>>>>>>>>>> games >>>>>>>>>>>>> with it >>>>>>>>>>>>> saved games were a problem for me since I could not open a >>>>>>>>>>>>> saved >>>>>>>>>>>>> game >>>>>>>>>>>>> file >>>>>>>>>>>>> (made in frotz). >>>>>>>>>>>>> For muds the situation on the mac is not so good, I play >>>>>>>>>>>>> them >>>>>>>>>>>>> all >>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>> time >>>>>>>>>>>>> on windows but there is only one mudclient that I know of >>>>>>>>>>>>> which >>>>>>>>>>>>> works >>>>>>>>>>>>> under >>>>>>>>>>>>> sl and which is still being developed, jamochamud which >>>>>>>>>>>>> works >>>>>>>>>>>>> under java. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> It >>>>>>>>>>>>> is not too accessible at the moment but the programmer has >>>>>>>>>>>>> promised to >>>>>>>>>>>>> look >>>>>>>>>>>>> at it, still it does not offer all the features even then >>>>>>>>>>>>> that I >>>>>>>>>>>>> am used >>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>> on a windows client. >>>>>>>>>>>>> As soon as windows 7 becomes officially available I am >>>>>>>>>>>>> planning >>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>> install >>>>>>>>>>>>> it on my mac (probbably via bootcamp) so that I at least >>>>>>>>>>>>> can >>>>>>>>>>>>> use >>>>>>>>>>>>> my mac >>>>>>>>>>>>> all >>>>>>>>>>>>> the time even if I need to use windows, hopefully for the >>>>>>>>>>>>> scanning and >>>>>>>>>>>>> downloading tasks I will in the future be able to use the >>>>>>>>>>>>> mac >>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>> I have >>>>>>>>>>>>> hopes for muds as well but for now at least my mac is >>>>>>>>>>>>> mostly >>>>>>>>>>>>> used >>>>>>>>>>>>> at >>>>>>>>>>>>> school >>>>>>>>>>>>> and in the library. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Greetings, Anouk, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>> >>> >>>> >> >> >>> > > > >
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