Oh, I'm so sorry! Donna On Oct 22, 2009, at 10:23 PM, Portia wrote: > > I'm running Vista. > > Donna Goodin wrote: >> Hi Nic, >> >> I think you're dead on. At least for me, my work environment has had >> a very definite impact on my experience with my Mac. >> >> I think I'm also lucky. I never switched to Windows Vista, thank >> God! >> I'm still running XP, which I think makes my Windows life a lot >> easier! >> Take care, >> Donna >> On Oct 22, 2009, at 2:54 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: >> >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> I think one of the biggest issues that are represented here is work. >>> Depending on what you're doing, the company you work for might >>> require >>> that you work with their systems, most likely Windows or Linux. I've >>> encountered companies in my country that use Mac OS X, but not many, >>> which definitely does get confusing. I would suppose that, if you >>> work >>> more than you have time to play with your Mac, the PC immediately >>> takes priority for obvious reasons and it'll take you longer to get >>> used to it. >>> >>> I study computer science, and on occasion I actually have to >>> struggle >>> with Windows commands. I find Windows so sluggish and unresponsive >>> now >>> compared to the Mac, and that's not an attempt to slam it, because >>> I'm >>> sure it has its advantages for some people, it's just not snappy and >>> stable enough for what I need it to do.. Granted, I mostly do use my >>> Mac for things such as browsing the web, editing, reading mail and >>> so- >>> forth, but what frustrated me with Windows was the crashes. That is >>> one thing I don't miss. Otherwise, Windows is definitely a good >>> system. For me, it just wasn't good enough, so to speak, and it >>> frustrated the heck out of me sometimes. Sometimes I was happy with >>> it, to be fair. But I also think one superiority the Mac has over >>> the >>> Windows operating system is the integrated screen access software. >>> If >>> you update your display drivers, you don't need to spend time >>> reinstalling and installing applications to discover it didn't work, >>> then install the latest version of an application such as JAWS to >>> finally make it understand that you actually want Video Intercept >>> installed for the thousandth time, then downgrade if you don't like >>> JAWS 11. If you're me, you don't like JAWS 11, but that's another >>> story entirely. But that's another thing that made me all too >>> willing >>> to switch, with no regrets. Yeah, I wish someone would put >>> together a >>> MUD client that actually had VoiceOver support, or at least utilize >>> the text to speech features that use the built-in voices without >>> VoiceOver. That'd at least be a start. >>> >>> Otherwise, I don't use Windows at all except to comply with those >>> people who still send me executables on CDs. Or to play MUDs. You >>> can >>> do exactly the same things on the Mac as you can on Windows, the >>> only >>> problem every switcher probably has is the fact that they don't know >>> which applications to look for to accomplish said task. I've had my >>> Mac since August 1 as I said earlier, and I certainly don't know all >>> the substitutes for Windows programs yet. That having been said, I >>> only use Windows for the tasks written above. >>> >>> Thought I'd share my views once again, and I'll probably be writing >>> more. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Nic >>> Skype: Kvalme >>> MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk >>> AIM: cincinster >>> yahoo Messenger: cin368 >>> Facebook Profile >>> My Twitter >>> >>> On Oct 22, 2009, at 5:44 AM, May McDonald wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Smile, thank you very much. >>>> On 2009-10-21, at 8:41 PM, Ryan Mann wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> You can see the commands that are set up by default by doing the >>>>> following: >>>>> 1. Open VoiceOver utility. >>>>> 2. Interact with the Utility categories table and vo+downarrow to >>>>> the >>>>> commands category, then stop interacting. >>>>> 3. Select the Keyboard tab. >>>>> 4. Vo+rightarrow and you should hear a checkbox to enable >>>>> keyboard >>>>> commander. Check that box. >>>>> 5. Vo+rightarrow again and you should hear "keyboard commander >>>>> table." Interact with that table. After you interact with that >>>>> table, you should be able to use the usual VoiceOver navigation >>>>> commands to hear what commands are set. >>>>> n Oct 21, 2009, at 10:50 PM, May McDonald wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Hmm, that's really good to know. Is there a place where I can >>>>>> find >>>>>> other commands the apple script has? I guess I'll go check that >>>>>> option now. >>>>>> On 2009-10-21, at 7:27 PM, Ryan Mann wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hello. If you're running Snow Leopard and you have Voiceover >>>>>>> set >>>>>>> to >>>>>>> allow it to be controled by Apple Script, you can hit option+t >>>>>>> to >>>>>>> check the time. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Oct 21, 2009, at 8:16 PM, peter apgar wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> well said all, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> there are several cool factors for the mac os. one of which >>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> fact that we don't have to pay extra for the accessibility. >>>>>>>> however >>>>>>>> the largest down fall is the majority of work places do not >>>>>>>> support >>>>>>>> OSX. for this reason alone i only have limited time to explore >>>>>>>> its >>>>>>>> virtues. i will second the same issues that Donna posted >>>>>>>> previously. additionally i have found that there is a lot >>>>>>>> more >>>>>>>> interaction for simple tasks. double the key strokes for the >>>>>>>> same >>>>>>>> actions as in ms is just a minor peev. i am quite worried that >>>>>>>> running two or possibly three systems may become overwhelming >>>>>>>> when >>>>>>>> begining a graduate program. i guess only time will tell. has >>>>>>>> any >>>>>>>> one written code for a quick check of the time? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Have good evening, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Pete >>>>>>>> On Oct 21, 2009, at 11:51 AM, May McDonald wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi all, I guess I'll jump in on this thread as well. I >>>>>>>>> haven't >>>>>>>>> had >>>>>>>>> my >>>>>>>>> mac for 2 months yet, but pretty close. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I'm amazed that I was able to make the switch so easily to the >>>>>>>>> mac. >>>>>>>>> In fact, now whenever I have to use a windows machine I finder >>>>>>>>> it a >>>>>>>>> little harder to think of the windows commands because they >>>>>>>>> aren't >>>>>>>>> used by me all the time anymore, smile. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I will be putting windows 7 on this mac but again it won't be >>>>>>>>> used >>>>>>>>> all >>>>>>>>> the time, only for scanning because I liked my scanning >>>>>>>>> software >>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>> windows and to play games. Other than that, it will be hidden >>>>>>>>> behind >>>>>>>>> mac. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I'm glad I made the switch and now go back to the basics and >>>>>>>>> figure >>>>>>>>> out how sly and vo work, lol. >>>>>>>>> On 2009-10-21, at 8:41 AM, Donna Goodin wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Wow, Nic, you are a determined soul! :) I'm glad that after >>>>>>>>>> all >>>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>>> had to go through with the install, the Mac turned out to >>>>>>>>>> suit >>>>>>>>>> your >>>>>>>>>> needs. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> You people who have taken so readily to web-browsing on the >>>>>>>>>> Mac, >>>>>>>>>> fascinate me. I keep playing with it, hoping to come to the >>>>>>>>>> same >>>>>>>>>> conclusion, but it just doesn't happen. For example, I am >>>>>>>>>> currently >>>>>>>>>> job-hunting, and the other night, received a job match from a >>>>>>>>>> site I >>>>>>>>>> am registered with. When Safari loaded the page and auto- >>>>>>>>>> read, >>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>> read everything just as you would expect. But then, I >>>>>>>>>> decided I >>>>>>>>>> wanted to take a second look at the preferred >>>>>>>>>> qualifications. I >>>>>>>>>> couldn't find them to save my soul! I arrowed around, I >>>>>>>>>> interacted >>>>>>>>>> with stuff, and nothing. So, I booted up my Pc, went into >>>>>>>>>> IE, >>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>> found what I was looking for in two seconds. And I still have >>>>>>>>>> no >>>>>>>>>> clue >>>>>>>>>> what I should have done to locate that info in Safari. I >>>>>>>>>> often >>>>>>>>>> feel >>>>>>>>>> like because of all the interacting and stuff, that viewing a >>>>>>>>>> webpage >>>>>>>>>> in Safari is like looking at it through tinted glass or >>>>>>>>>> through a >>>>>>>>>> veil >>>>>>>>>> that only lets you see the outline of what you're looking at. >>>>>>>>>> Links >>>>>>>>>> of course are no problem, it's the text content that is often >>>>>>>>>> very >>>>>>>>>> difficult to locate. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I highly recommend the iphone, I've found it to be a >>>>>>>>>> delightful >>>>>>>>>> little >>>>>>>>>> toy, um, I mean, device. *grin* >>>>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>>>> Donna >>>>>>>>>> On Oct 21, 2009, at 11:03 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Definitely quite an interesting story. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I got my Mac on August 1. It was actually an odd >>>>>>>>>>> experience. I >>>>>>>>>>> went >>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>> an Apple store a couple weeks prior to my purchase just to >>>>>>>>>>> try >>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>> out. >>>>>>>>>>> I had attempted to use OS X 10.4, Tiger in the past at an >>>>>>>>>>> institute >>>>>>>>>>> for the blind, but I actually didn't like it. I thought it >>>>>>>>>>> was >>>>>>>>>>> quite >>>>>>>>>>> literally a pile of crap. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I start listening to podcasts that sighted and blind users >>>>>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>>>>> done >>>>>>>>>>> for the Macintosh, and figure I'll give it another shot. I >>>>>>>>>>> finally >>>>>>>>>>> decided to purchase a Mac, because I had frankly become >>>>>>>>>>> extremely >>>>>>>>>>> frustrated with Windows and most certainly Vista. XP has >>>>>>>>>>> always >>>>>>>>>>> been >>>>>>>>>>> my favorite if I do have to use Windows. I'd become tired of >>>>>>>>>>> how >>>>>>>>>>> many >>>>>>>>>>> things you needed for Windows to work efficiently. Sometimes >>>>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>>>> had >>>>>>>>>>> to worry about corrupted files, leftovers from previously >>>>>>>>>>> installed >>>>>>>>>>> applications, that sort of thing not to mention the >>>>>>>>>>> registry. >>>>>>>>>>> The >>>>>>>>>>> headache. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> So I decided to take the plunge. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I read through the entire VoiceOver manual the day before I >>>>>>>>>>> went >>>>>>>>>>> back >>>>>>>>>>> to the store, and wrote down notes for the things I figured >>>>>>>>>>> I'd >>>>>>>>>>> mostly >>>>>>>>>>> be using for a while. When I arrived at the store, I went to >>>>>>>>>>> try >>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>> out again to make sure a Mac would be what I desired. It >>>>>>>>>>> definitely >>>>>>>>>>> was. So much that, in fact, that even though they only had a >>>>>>>>>>> showroom >>>>>>>>>>> floor model at the time, I grabbed it. The cleaned it off >>>>>>>>>>> thoroughly, >>>>>>>>>>> wrapped it up and tossed the DVDs I'd need in the box. I was >>>>>>>>>>> happy. >>>>>>>>>>> So >>>>>>>>>>> very happy. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I arrive home, and I'm practically tingling with >>>>>>>>>>> excitement. I >>>>>>>>>>> almost >>>>>>>>>>> rip the box apart (taking care of the DVDs of course), get >>>>>>>>>>> out >>>>>>>>>>> my >>>>>>>>>>> shiny Macbook and hook it up. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Oh no! >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> What I did know was that I had to reinstall it, but I didn't >>>>>>>>>>> care. I >>>>>>>>>>> didn't want any of that junk on it they had installed to >>>>>>>>>>> advertise. >>>>>>>>>>> So >>>>>>>>>>> i went ahead. I rebooted it, held down the C-key when the >>>>>>>>>>> installation >>>>>>>>>>> DVD had been sucked into the Mac and I heard the startup >>>>>>>>>>> sound. >>>>>>>>>>> It >>>>>>>>>>> displayed the finder and spat out the DVD. Literally. So I >>>>>>>>>>> decided >>>>>>>>>>> that apparently wasn't working for whatever reason. I >>>>>>>>>>> located >>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>> installer DVD in the finder and open it. Authentication. God >>>>>>>>>>> dang >>>>>>>>>>> it! >>>>>>>>>>> Behold the password box. I was required to enter a >>>>>>>>>>> password to >>>>>>>>>>> proceed. Of course, the Macbook had not been set to >>>>>>>>>>> require a >>>>>>>>>>> password >>>>>>>>>>> at login. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I call them at the store, and ask them for a password. I >>>>>>>>>>> told >>>>>>>>>>> them >>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>> C-key solution had not worked to boot from the DVD, and they >>>>>>>>>>> promptly >>>>>>>>>>> complied with my request. They gave me several passwords to >>>>>>>>>>> enter, >>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>> I did. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> "The name or password you entered is incorrect." >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I went back to the store, and they had a look at it. Most >>>>>>>>>>> annoying >>>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>> all was that finally, the C-key actually seemed to work. I >>>>>>>>>>> was >>>>>>>>>>> installing it when I got home. By this point, I was like a >>>>>>>>>>> kid >>>>>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>>>>> his >>>>>>>>>>> birthday. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I thought I'd share my experience with all of you on the >>>>>>>>>>> list. >>>>>>>>>>> Yes, I >>>>>>>>>>> am aware it's probably quite long-winded. But what can you >>>>>>>>>>> do? I >>>>>>>>>>> do >>>>>>>>>>> run Windows as a virtual machine, but only to MUD. I do >>>>>>>>>>> sometimes >>>>>>>>>>> find >>>>>>>>>>> it kind of annoying having to run two programs just to scan >>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>> recognize the image. That is why I liked Omnipage, and there >>>>>>>>>>> has >>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>> be >>>>>>>>>>> a solution out there that does exactly the same. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> As for my web browsing experience, everything is much more >>>>>>>>>>> smooth >>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>> responsive. I can easily find what I want by using the >>>>>>>>>>> search >>>>>>>>>>> feature >>>>>>>>>>> in VoiceOver, and ever since Leopard was released the web >>>>>>>>>>> rotor >>>>>>>>>>> makes >>>>>>>>>>> it even easier, not to mention Auto web spots. So yes, I do >>>>>>>>>>> use >>>>>>>>>>> Windows. Rarely, but I do. And I'm definitely not ashamed to >>>>>>>>>>> admit >>>>>>>>>>> it. >>>>>>>>>>> But if a MUD client was accessible to VoiceOver, I would not >>>>>>>>>>> touch >>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>> again. I've found my experience with Mac has not only been >>>>>>>>>>> productive, >>>>>>>>>>> but fun and enjoyable where as with Windows, I wanted to >>>>>>>>>>> throw >>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>> machine through the window half the time I was using it >>>>>>>>>>> due to >>>>>>>>>>> freezes, driver errors and so-forth. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Well, I think I'm done now. I want an iPhone, now that you >>>>>>>>>>> mention >>>>>>>>>>> it, >>>>>>>>>>> but at the same time you don't always need to have the >>>>>>>>>>> latest >>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>> greatest. And I need to realize that. :P. Yes, I loved the >>>>>>>>>>> iPhone >>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>> I'm used to the gestures since I use my trackpad quite a >>>>>>>>>>> lot, >>>>>>>>>>> but >>>>>>>>>>> at >>>>>>>>>>> the same time, I need a phone for text messaging and phone >>>>>>>>>>> calls. >>>>>>>>>>> That >>>>>>>>>>> is about it. It'll probably be faster to accomplish those >>>>>>>>>>> tasks >>>>>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>>>> the iPhone, I have no doubt about it. Maybe one day I'll >>>>>>>>>>> even >>>>>>>>>>> get >>>>>>>>>>> one. >>>>>>>>>>> But when I find a really good reason except for all the apps >>>>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>>>> can >>>>>>>>>>> seemingly install with no issues, perfectly usable, then I >>>>>>>>>>> won't >>>>>>>>>>> buy >>>>>>>>>>> one. Besides, who wants to pay $99.95 for an iPhone plan in >>>>>>>>>>> Denmark? >>>>>>>>>>> Not me. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Have a great afternoon, folks. I at least know those >>>>>>>>>>> living in >>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>> Eastern timezone are approaching lunch time. :) >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>>>> Nic >>>>>>>>>>> Skype: Kvalme >>>>>>>>>>> MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk >>>>>>>>>>> AIM: cincinster >>>>>>>>>>> yahoo Messenger: cin368 >>>>>>>>>>> Facebook Profile >>>>>>>>>>> My Twitter >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 21, 2009, at 4:17 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Hi all, >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I Thought I'd weigh in here, since I got my Mac around the >>>>>>>>>>>> same >>>>>>>>>>>> time >>>>>>>>>>>> almost, I'm going on three months now. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I agree with Anouk, and would add that I often find it's >>>>>>>>>>>> easier >>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>> use my PC for work-related tasks. As I mentioned >>>>>>>>>>>> earlier, I >>>>>>>>>>>> use >>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>> ap Blackboard, which I have to use Windows for, as Safari >>>>>>>>>>>> isn't >>>>>>>>>>>> currently supported.. Since I'm logged into Blackboard most >>>>>>>>>>>> days, >>>>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>>>> sort of automatically means I'm using my PC, and the Mac >>>>>>>>>>>> gets >>>>>>>>>>>> relegated to after-hours. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I also still strongly prefer web-browsing on my PC. I've >>>>>>>>>>>> had >>>>>>>>>>>> so >>>>>>>>>>>> many >>>>>>>>>>>> experiences where on the Mac I simply cannot locate an item >>>>>>>>>>>> that I >>>>>>>>>>>> know is on a certain page. This never happens to me on the >>>>>>>>>>>> PC. I >>>>>>>>>>>> find >>>>>>>>>>>> that when browsing, I can do things in half the time on my >>>>>>>>>>>> PC, >>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>> sometimes on the Mac, even after spending the extra time, I >>>>>>>>>>>> don't >>>>>>>>>>>> find >>>>>>>>>>>> what I'm looking for, and end up going back to the PC >>>>>>>>>>>> anyway. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I'm an avid reader, and so do a lot of scanning. I really >>>>>>>>>>>> don't >>>>>>>>>>>> like >>>>>>>>>>>> the idea of having to use two separate programs, one for >>>>>>>>>>>> scanning >>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>> one for the OCR, especially when I have one program on my >>>>>>>>>>>> PC >>>>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>>>> will >>>>>>>>>>>> do both jobs quite nicely. This of course isn't an Apple >>>>>>>>>>>> issue, >>>>>>>>>>>> but I >>>>>>>>>>>> do think that for many of us who are blind, the lack of a >>>>>>>>>>>> good >>>>>>>>>>>> solid >>>>>>>>>>>> scanning/ocr option, is a real obstacle in terms of seeing >>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>> Mac >>>>>>>>>>>> as >>>>>>>>>>>> a PC replacement. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Like Anouk, I've also pretty much decided to keep both a >>>>>>>>>>>> Mac >>>>>>>>>>>> and a >>>>>>>>>>>> PC. at least for now, though I confess I'm tempted some >>>>>>>>>>>> days >>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>> just >>>>>>>>>>>> go back to my PC, in the interest of running just one OS on >>>>>>>>>>>> one >>>>>>>>>>>> computer. When I got my Mac, I had hoped not to upgrade to >>>>>>>>>>>> JAWS >>>>>>>>>>>> 11 >>>>>>>>>>>> and Windows 7, but it looks like I'll be getting both. I >>>>>>>>>>>> use >>>>>>>>>>>> my >>>>>>>>>>>> PC >>>>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>>>> work, for scanning, and for most of my web browsing, >>>>>>>>>>>> which is >>>>>>>>>>>> 90% >>>>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>>> what I do. I like the Mac a lot. I like that VO is built >>>>>>>>>>>> in, I >>>>>>>>>>>> like >>>>>>>>>>>> the speed and responsiveness of the Mac, I like the fact >>>>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't take a year to boot or load an ap, and I like >>>>>>>>>>>> working >>>>>>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>>>>> Itunes (I'm still running 8.2.), and I think the Mac >>>>>>>>>>>> seems to >>>>>>>>>>>> be >>>>>>>>>>>> far >>>>>>>>>>>> superior in how it works with Media. But the PC is what I >>>>>>>>>>>> go >>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>>>> the things I really need to get done. I think for me, my >>>>>>>>>>>> experience >>>>>>>>>>>> with the Mac reflects my experience with the iphone. >>>>>>>>>>>> When I >>>>>>>>>>>> compare >>>>>>>>>>>> my iphone with my old Windows Mobile phone, the iphone is >>>>>>>>>>>> much >>>>>>>>>>>> more >>>>>>>>>>>> fun! I love the aps, the games, the ability to quickly do >>>>>>>>>>>> things >>>>>>>>>>>> like >>>>>>>>>>>> check weather, whereas my WM phone was loaded with all >>>>>>>>>>>> kinds >>>>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>>> practical stuff for editing documents spreadsheets, >>>>>>>>>>>> powerpoint, >>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>> so >>>>>>>>>>>> on. I don't want to do any of that stuff on my phone, so >>>>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>>>> me, >>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>> iphone is by far the better fit. but when it comes to a >>>>>>>>>>>> computer, >>>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>>> cuts the other way, and I find myself favoring the PC which >>>>>>>>>>>> seems >>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>> lend itself more to the day-to-day things I need to get >>>>>>>>>>>> done. >>>>>>>>>>>> Best, >>>>>>>>>>>> Donna >>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 21, 2009, at 5:05 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi again folks, >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, broadcasts can certainly be done. Nicecast from Rogue >>>>>>>>>>>>> Amoeba >>>>>>>>>>>>> http://rogueamoeba.com >>>>>>>>>>>>> works extremely well. The only issue seems to be the >>>>>>>>>>>>> effects >>>>>>>>>>>>> scroll >>>>>>>>>>>>> area, but I hope they'll be working on that. Otherwise, it >>>>>>>>>>>>> works >>>>>>>>>>>>> ridiculously well, in fact, and I have nothing to complain >>>>>>>>>>>>> about. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not exactly sure about your Thumbkey thing. I don't >>>>>>>>>>>>> get >>>>>>>>>>>>> it. >>>>>>>>>>>>> If >>>>>>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>>>>>> can elaborate? Maybe I'm being dense here. :). >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> As for VLC, I've never actually tried it out, and I >>>>>>>>>>>>> personally >>>>>>>>>>>>> love >>>>>>>>>>>>> using Safari for web browsing. For me, everything is much >>>>>>>>>>>>> faster. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Also, which braille display are you using? >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>>>>>> Nic >>>>>>>>>>>>> Skype: Kvalme >>>>>>>>>>>>> MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk >>>>>>>>>>>>> AIM: cincinster >>>>>>>>>>>>> yahoo Messenger: cin368 >>>>>>>>>>>>> Facebook Profile >>>>>>>>>>>>> My Twitter >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 21, 2009, at 10:22 AM, Tony Bernedal wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi again. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wow. Echomac, never heard of it but when I google it I >>>>>>>>>>>>>> found >>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://echomac.sourceforge.net/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'll try it when I'm back home from work. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Anouk, I had a fire dtv reciever and used it with dvb >>>>>>>>>>>>>> viewer >>>>>>>>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>>>>>>>> windows and Eye tv have driver for it so I gave it a try >>>>>>>>>>>>>> but >>>>>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't work as I want at the moment. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have readiris on the disk and I'm going to try it out >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> see >>>>>>>>>>>>>> how >>>>>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>>>>> works with swedish language and so on. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have heard of some broadcast tools for mac but at the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> moment I >>>>>>>>>>>>>> haven't looked in to it. I don't broadcast at the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> moment so >>>>>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't >>>>>>>>>>>>>> have so high priority. I still have my studio pc sitting >>>>>>>>>>>>>> under >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> desk so I can use stationplaylist and all the broadcast >>>>>>>>>>>>>> stuff >>>>>>>>>>>>>> if I >>>>>>>>>>>>>> want to. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards Tony >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2009/10/21, a radix <anou...@home.nl>: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hey Tony, Nice to hear from you! (the world is a small >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> place) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Funny >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> started our mac journey at the seem time. I am curious, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> broadcast on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the mac? I guess otsjuke wont work and obiously >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shoutcast >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wont >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> either. I was >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thinking of running windows with vmware but now I am >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thinking >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to ask my >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> brother to help me install windows 7 via bootcamp >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> instead. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Has >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anyone got >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> experience with installing windows via bootcamp as dual >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> boot? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> diffucult? I presume the drivers for windows 7 for the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> macbook >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pro >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> available from apple? I still want to try vuescan an >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dreadiris, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fact i >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have the programs on my computer bu tI want to wait till >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hp >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> releases the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> drivers for my scanner that are native to sl, also I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hope >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time abbyy >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will have released a demo of finereader for the mac that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> native >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to sl. I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> am just concerned that either adf wont work, scanning >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> iwll >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> very >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> slow or >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dutch character recognition wont be as good as omnipage. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am surprised that you also have the thumbkey >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> problem, i >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thought >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it was >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something stupid on my part, corrupt install whatever. I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> guess >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will both >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have to mail apple accessibility about this. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, you are using a tv tuner with your mac? This is the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> next >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thing >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> i want to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> taccle since now I have an analog tv standing on my desk >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> taking up >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> space that I could use otherwise. I did have digital >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tv in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> past >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bu tI >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> had a lot of trouble with it and in the end just went >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> back >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> analog. There >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are not that many tuners for the mac I think (analog or >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> otherwise) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> guess even less that are available in Europe. Which do >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> use? I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> guess as >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> long as I get one with a remote things will be ok (if it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> indeed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> find the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> channels). >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I too LOVE the sleep features of the mac, i never turn >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mine >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> off, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just close >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the lid and thats it. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Greetings, Anouk, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Tony Bernedal" <t...@bernedal.net> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 9:16 AM >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: my 2 months with a mac >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Anouk. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have also used my mac for around 3 months now, and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> still >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> use windows for a couple of things. I trying to get the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> scanning >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ocr to work on the mac but for now windows and omnipage >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jobb. I had a license for windows xp lying on the shelf >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> no >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> longer working laptop and I installed xp with vmware >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> virtual >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> machine and doing my scanning there and it works good >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> virtual >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> machine is very slow. I also use windows for Echolink, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wich >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ham-radio software wich don't exist on the mac. Also >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> software >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> setup and program my hamradio stations is only windows >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> programs. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> very happy mac user now and after some updates to snow >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> leopard >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> problems with it is gone. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I hope the issue with the thumbkey on your display >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> solved. I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have same issue with alva satelite. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I also have a battle with EyeTV software wich for some >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> odd >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reason >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't find my tv channels on the cable network. And >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> also >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> very >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tricky to use with VO. I use VLC for webradio and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> movies >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> works >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> great (vlc version 1.x doesn't work under windows and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> linux >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with screenreader, only on mac, great!). >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And I also like the speed, starting my windows pc >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> here at >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> works >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> take >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> forever and the mac is at the desktop in almost 0 time. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sleep >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> works well too. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So I'm happy with my mac system. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Good luck with your mac! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards Tony >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2009/10/21, a radix <anou...@home.nl>: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello, I have been using my mac for about 2 months now >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> especially >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> school >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> although at home I still often use my pc and I will >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> explain >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> below >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> why. In >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> general my experiences with the mac have been very >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> positive >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> especially >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> after >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> installing snow leopard. I can use skype and msn >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just as >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> well >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on my >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pc. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And after I dumped itunes and started using vlc >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> instead >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> watching >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> movies >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> listening to music became a breeze. I recently bought >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> apples >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> office suite >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because I prefer that over using textedit or the free >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> text >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> editors/office >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> suits that are available. I am also intending to go >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> use >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> garage band >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the future if I can get that working with my yamaha >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> keyboard. I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> built-in speakers and sound quality alhtough listening >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> through >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> its sound >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> output with my own in ear monitors is nothing >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> special. I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> still >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> find using >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the internet on the mac a bit mor ework then i did >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> while >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> using >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pc and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> goes a bit slower also when reading docucments i >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> notice >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cannot >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> endlessly use the right thumb key on my braille >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> display >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> continue >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reading, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> eventually i have to press the right arrow on my >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> normal >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> keyboard >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> want >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to read onm. This does become irritating after a while >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> need to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> read >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> long documents. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> At home I still mostly use my windows pc although i >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gotten mail >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> working on the mac as well because 1. I use omnipage >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pro >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 16 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> under >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> windows >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> scan my books for school, while I know that there are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> some >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> scanning >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> solutions for the mac that i will probbably try once >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hp >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> drivers for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sl >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have been released I just dont know if they will be as >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> good >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> easy as >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> using omnipage pro 16 and am a bit hesistant to try it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that (I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> really really hope that a full version of finereader >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> eventually be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> released for the mac since I have heard it can rival >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> omnipage >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pro). >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Secondly there is filesharing, i will be brief. Ftp >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> does >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> work >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the mac >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with transmit which I rather like although I have not >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> registered >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it yet, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> questions i asked its support team went unanswered. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Usenet >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> also >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> works but >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> udner windows I preferred to use other programs which >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> available >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the mac. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The third point is playing games which I do a lot on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pec >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> especially >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> interactive fiction and muds. There is an interpreter >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> interactive >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fiction called zoom which I tried and although I can >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> open >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> games >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> saved games were a problem for me since I could not >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> open a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> saved >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> game >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> file >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (made in frotz). >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For muds the situation on the mac is not so good, I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> play >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on windows but there is only one mudclient that I know >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> works >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> under >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sl and which is still being developed, jamochamud >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> works >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> under java. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is not too accessible at the moment but the programmer >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> promised to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> look >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at it, still it does not offer all the features even >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> then >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> am used >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on a windows client. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As soon as windows 7 becomes officially available I am >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> planning >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> install >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it on my mac (probbably via bootcamp) so that I at >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> least >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> use >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my mac >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the time even if I need to use windows, hopefully for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> scanning and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> downloading tasks I will in the future be able to use >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mac >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hopes for muds as well but for now at least my mac is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mostly >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> used >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> school >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and in the library. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Greetings, Anouk, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> > > > >
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