Well, I hope you get them both soon, Portia. Take care, Donna On Oct 22, 2009, at 10:29 PM, Portia wrote:
> > Hey Donna, > > It's ok. I cant wait till I get my iPhone and my mac!! > > Portia. > > Donna Goodin wrote: >> Oh, I'm so sorry! >> Donna >> On Oct 22, 2009, at 10:23 PM, Portia wrote: >> >> >>> I'm running Vista. >>> >>> Donna Goodin wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Nic, >>>> >>>> I think you're dead on. At least for me, my work environment has >>>> had >>>> a very definite impact on my experience with my Mac. >>>> >>>> I think I'm also lucky. I never switched to Windows Vista, thank >>>> God! >>>> I'm still running XP, which I think makes my Windows life a lot >>>> easier! >>>> Take care, >>>> Donna >>>> On Oct 22, 2009, at 2:54 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> I think one of the biggest issues that are represented here is >>>>> work. >>>>> Depending on what you're doing, the company you work for might >>>>> require >>>>> that you work with their systems, most likely Windows or Linux. >>>>> I've >>>>> encountered companies in my country that use Mac OS X, but not >>>>> many, >>>>> which definitely does get confusing. I would suppose that, if you >>>>> work >>>>> more than you have time to play with your Mac, the PC immediately >>>>> takes priority for obvious reasons and it'll take you longer to >>>>> get >>>>> used to it. >>>>> >>>>> I study computer science, and on occasion I actually have to >>>>> struggle >>>>> with Windows commands. I find Windows so sluggish and unresponsive >>>>> now >>>>> compared to the Mac, and that's not an attempt to slam it, because >>>>> I'm >>>>> sure it has its advantages for some people, it's just not snappy >>>>> and >>>>> stable enough for what I need it to do.. Granted, I mostly do >>>>> use my >>>>> Mac for things such as browsing the web, editing, reading mail and >>>>> so- >>>>> forth, but what frustrated me with Windows was the crashes. That >>>>> is >>>>> one thing I don't miss. Otherwise, Windows is definitely a good >>>>> system. For me, it just wasn't good enough, so to speak, and it >>>>> frustrated the heck out of me sometimes. Sometimes I was happy >>>>> with >>>>> it, to be fair. But I also think one superiority the Mac has over >>>>> the >>>>> Windows operating system is the integrated screen access software. >>>>> If >>>>> you update your display drivers, you don't need to spend time >>>>> reinstalling and installing applications to discover it didn't >>>>> work, >>>>> then install the latest version of an application such as JAWS to >>>>> finally make it understand that you actually want Video Intercept >>>>> installed for the thousandth time, then downgrade if you don't >>>>> like >>>>> JAWS 11. If you're me, you don't like JAWS 11, but that's another >>>>> story entirely. But that's another thing that made me all too >>>>> willing >>>>> to switch, with no regrets. Yeah, I wish someone would put >>>>> together a >>>>> MUD client that actually had VoiceOver support, or at least >>>>> utilize >>>>> the text to speech features that use the built-in voices without >>>>> VoiceOver. That'd at least be a start. >>>>> >>>>> Otherwise, I don't use Windows at all except to comply with those >>>>> people who still send me executables on CDs. Or to play MUDs. You >>>>> can >>>>> do exactly the same things on the Mac as you can on Windows, the >>>>> only >>>>> problem every switcher probably has is the fact that they don't >>>>> know >>>>> which applications to look for to accomplish said task. I've had >>>>> my >>>>> Mac since August 1 as I said earlier, and I certainly don't know >>>>> all >>>>> the substitutes for Windows programs yet. That having been said, I >>>>> only use Windows for the tasks written above. >>>>> >>>>> Thought I'd share my views once again, and I'll probably be >>>>> writing >>>>> more. >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> Nic >>>>> Skype: Kvalme >>>>> MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk >>>>> AIM: cincinster >>>>> yahoo Messenger: cin368 >>>>> Facebook Profile >>>>> My Twitter >>>>> >>>>> On Oct 22, 2009, at 5:44 AM, May McDonald wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Smile, thank you very much. >>>>>> On 2009-10-21, at 8:41 PM, Ryan Mann wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> You can see the commands that are set up by default by doing the >>>>>>> following: >>>>>>> 1. Open VoiceOver utility. >>>>>>> 2. Interact with the Utility categories table and vo >>>>>>> +downarrow to >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> commands category, then stop interacting. >>>>>>> 3. Select the Keyboard tab. >>>>>>> 4. Vo+rightarrow and you should hear a checkbox to enable >>>>>>> keyboard >>>>>>> commander. Check that box. >>>>>>> 5. Vo+rightarrow again and you should hear "keyboard commander >>>>>>> table." Interact with that table. After you interact with that >>>>>>> table, you should be able to use the usual VoiceOver navigation >>>>>>> commands to hear what commands are set. >>>>>>> n Oct 21, 2009, at 10:50 PM, May McDonald wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hmm, that's really good to know. Is there a place where I can >>>>>>>> find >>>>>>>> other commands the apple script has? I guess I'll go check >>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>> option now. >>>>>>>> On 2009-10-21, at 7:27 PM, Ryan Mann wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hello. If you're running Snow Leopard and you have Voiceover >>>>>>>>> set >>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>> allow it to be controled by Apple Script, you can hit option+t >>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>> check the time. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Oct 21, 2009, at 8:16 PM, peter apgar wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> well said all, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> there are several cool factors for the mac os. one of which >>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> fact that we don't have to pay extra for the accessibility. >>>>>>>>>> however >>>>>>>>>> the largest down fall is the majority of work places do not >>>>>>>>>> support >>>>>>>>>> OSX. for this reason alone i only have limited time to >>>>>>>>>> explore >>>>>>>>>> its >>>>>>>>>> virtues. i will second the same issues that Donna posted >>>>>>>>>> previously. additionally i have found that there is a lot >>>>>>>>>> more >>>>>>>>>> interaction for simple tasks. double the key strokes for the >>>>>>>>>> same >>>>>>>>>> actions as in ms is just a minor peev. i am quite worried >>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>> running two or possibly three systems may become overwhelming >>>>>>>>>> when >>>>>>>>>> begining a graduate program. i guess only time will tell. >>>>>>>>>> has >>>>>>>>>> any >>>>>>>>>> one written code for a quick check of the time? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Have good evening, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Pete >>>>>>>>>> On Oct 21, 2009, at 11:51 AM, May McDonald wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Hi all, I guess I'll jump in on this thread as well. I >>>>>>>>>>> haven't >>>>>>>>>>> had >>>>>>>>>>> my >>>>>>>>>>> mac for 2 months yet, but pretty close. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I'm amazed that I was able to make the switch so easily to >>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>> mac. >>>>>>>>>>> In fact, now whenever I have to use a windows machine I >>>>>>>>>>> finder >>>>>>>>>>> it a >>>>>>>>>>> little harder to think of the windows commands because they >>>>>>>>>>> aren't >>>>>>>>>>> used by me all the time anymore, smile. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I will be putting windows 7 on this mac but again it won't >>>>>>>>>>> be >>>>>>>>>>> used >>>>>>>>>>> all >>>>>>>>>>> the time, only for scanning because I liked my scanning >>>>>>>>>>> software >>>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>>> windows and to play games. Other than that, it will be >>>>>>>>>>> hidden >>>>>>>>>>> behind >>>>>>>>>>> mac. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I'm glad I made the switch and now go back to the basics and >>>>>>>>>>> figure >>>>>>>>>>> out how sly and vo work, lol. >>>>>>>>>>> On 2009-10-21, at 8:41 AM, Donna Goodin wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Wow, Nic, you are a determined soul! :) I'm glad that >>>>>>>>>>>> after >>>>>>>>>>>> all >>>>>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>>>>> had to go through with the install, the Mac turned out to >>>>>>>>>>>> suit >>>>>>>>>>>> your >>>>>>>>>>>> needs. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> You people who have taken so readily to web-browsing on the >>>>>>>>>>>> Mac, >>>>>>>>>>>> fascinate me. I keep playing with it, hoping to come to >>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>> same >>>>>>>>>>>> conclusion, but it just doesn't happen. For example, I am >>>>>>>>>>>> currently >>>>>>>>>>>> job-hunting, and the other night, received a job match >>>>>>>>>>>> from a >>>>>>>>>>>> site I >>>>>>>>>>>> am registered with. When Safari loaded the page and auto- >>>>>>>>>>>> read, >>>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>>> read everything just as you would expect. But then, I >>>>>>>>>>>> decided I >>>>>>>>>>>> wanted to take a second look at the preferred >>>>>>>>>>>> qualifications. I >>>>>>>>>>>> couldn't find them to save my soul! I arrowed around, I >>>>>>>>>>>> interacted >>>>>>>>>>>> with stuff, and nothing. So, I booted up my Pc, went into >>>>>>>>>>>> IE, >>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>> found what I was looking for in two seconds. And I still >>>>>>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>>>>>> no >>>>>>>>>>>> clue >>>>>>>>>>>> what I should have done to locate that info in Safari. I >>>>>>>>>>>> often >>>>>>>>>>>> feel >>>>>>>>>>>> like because of all the interacting and stuff, that >>>>>>>>>>>> viewing a >>>>>>>>>>>> webpage >>>>>>>>>>>> in Safari is like looking at it through tinted glass or >>>>>>>>>>>> through a >>>>>>>>>>>> veil >>>>>>>>>>>> that only lets you see the outline of what you're looking >>>>>>>>>>>> at. >>>>>>>>>>>> Links >>>>>>>>>>>> of course are no problem, it's the text content that is >>>>>>>>>>>> often >>>>>>>>>>>> very >>>>>>>>>>>> difficult to locate. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I highly recommend the iphone, I've found it to be a >>>>>>>>>>>> delightful >>>>>>>>>>>> little >>>>>>>>>>>> toy, um, I mean, device. *grin* >>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>>>>>> Donna >>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 21, 2009, at 11:03 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Definitely quite an interesting story. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I got my Mac on August 1. It was actually an odd >>>>>>>>>>>>> experience. I >>>>>>>>>>>>> went >>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>> an Apple store a couple weeks prior to my purchase just to >>>>>>>>>>>>> try >>>>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>>>> out. >>>>>>>>>>>>> I had attempted to use OS X 10.4, Tiger in the past at an >>>>>>>>>>>>> institute >>>>>>>>>>>>> for the blind, but I actually didn't like it. I thought it >>>>>>>>>>>>> was >>>>>>>>>>>>> quite >>>>>>>>>>>>> literally a pile of crap. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I start listening to podcasts that sighted and blind users >>>>>>>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>>>>>>> done >>>>>>>>>>>>> for the Macintosh, and figure I'll give it another shot. I >>>>>>>>>>>>> finally >>>>>>>>>>>>> decided to purchase a Mac, because I had frankly become >>>>>>>>>>>>> extremely >>>>>>>>>>>>> frustrated with Windows and most certainly Vista. XP has >>>>>>>>>>>>> always >>>>>>>>>>>>> been >>>>>>>>>>>>> my favorite if I do have to use Windows. I'd become >>>>>>>>>>>>> tired of >>>>>>>>>>>>> how >>>>>>>>>>>>> many >>>>>>>>>>>>> things you needed for Windows to work efficiently. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Sometimes >>>>>>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>>>>>> had >>>>>>>>>>>>> to worry about corrupted files, leftovers from previously >>>>>>>>>>>>> installed >>>>>>>>>>>>> applications, that sort of thing not to mention the >>>>>>>>>>>>> registry. >>>>>>>>>>>>> The >>>>>>>>>>>>> headache. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> So I decided to take the plunge. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I read through the entire VoiceOver manual the day >>>>>>>>>>>>> before I >>>>>>>>>>>>> went >>>>>>>>>>>>> back >>>>>>>>>>>>> to the store, and wrote down notes for the things I >>>>>>>>>>>>> figured >>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd >>>>>>>>>>>>> mostly >>>>>>>>>>>>> be using for a while. When I arrived at the store, I >>>>>>>>>>>>> went to >>>>>>>>>>>>> try >>>>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>>>> out again to make sure a Mac would be what I desired. It >>>>>>>>>>>>> definitely >>>>>>>>>>>>> was. So much that, in fact, that even though they only >>>>>>>>>>>>> had a >>>>>>>>>>>>> showroom >>>>>>>>>>>>> floor model at the time, I grabbed it. The cleaned it off >>>>>>>>>>>>> thoroughly, >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrapped it up and tossed the DVDs I'd need in the box. I >>>>>>>>>>>>> was >>>>>>>>>>>>> happy. >>>>>>>>>>>>> So >>>>>>>>>>>>> very happy. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I arrive home, and I'm practically tingling with >>>>>>>>>>>>> excitement. I >>>>>>>>>>>>> almost >>>>>>>>>>>>> rip the box apart (taking care of the DVDs of course), get >>>>>>>>>>>>> out >>>>>>>>>>>>> my >>>>>>>>>>>>> shiny Macbook and hook it up. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Oh no! >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> What I did know was that I had to reinstall it, but I >>>>>>>>>>>>> didn't >>>>>>>>>>>>> care. I >>>>>>>>>>>>> didn't want any of that junk on it they had installed to >>>>>>>>>>>>> advertise. >>>>>>>>>>>>> So >>>>>>>>>>>>> i went ahead. I rebooted it, held down the C-key when the >>>>>>>>>>>>> installation >>>>>>>>>>>>> DVD had been sucked into the Mac and I heard the startup >>>>>>>>>>>>> sound. >>>>>>>>>>>>> It >>>>>>>>>>>>> displayed the finder and spat out the DVD. Literally. So I >>>>>>>>>>>>> decided >>>>>>>>>>>>> that apparently wasn't working for whatever reason. I >>>>>>>>>>>>> located >>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>> installer DVD in the finder and open it. Authentication. >>>>>>>>>>>>> God >>>>>>>>>>>>> dang >>>>>>>>>>>>> it! >>>>>>>>>>>>> Behold the password box. I was required to enter a >>>>>>>>>>>>> password to >>>>>>>>>>>>> proceed. Of course, the Macbook had not been set to >>>>>>>>>>>>> require a >>>>>>>>>>>>> password >>>>>>>>>>>>> at login. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I call them at the store, and ask them for a password. I >>>>>>>>>>>>> told >>>>>>>>>>>>> them >>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>> C-key solution had not worked to boot from the DVD, and >>>>>>>>>>>>> they >>>>>>>>>>>>> promptly >>>>>>>>>>>>> complied with my request. They gave me several passwords >>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>> enter, >>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>> I did. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> "The name or password you entered is incorrect." >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I went back to the store, and they had a look at it. Most >>>>>>>>>>>>> annoying >>>>>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>>>> all was that finally, the C-key actually seemed to work. I >>>>>>>>>>>>> was >>>>>>>>>>>>> installing it when I got home. By this point, I was like a >>>>>>>>>>>>> kid >>>>>>>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>>>>>>> his >>>>>>>>>>>>> birthday. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I thought I'd share my experience with all of you on the >>>>>>>>>>>>> list. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, I >>>>>>>>>>>>> am aware it's probably quite long-winded. But what can you >>>>>>>>>>>>> do? I >>>>>>>>>>>>> do >>>>>>>>>>>>> run Windows as a virtual machine, but only to MUD. I do >>>>>>>>>>>>> sometimes >>>>>>>>>>>>> find >>>>>>>>>>>>> it kind of annoying having to run two programs just to >>>>>>>>>>>>> scan >>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>> recognize the image. That is why I liked Omnipage, and >>>>>>>>>>>>> there >>>>>>>>>>>>> has >>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>> be >>>>>>>>>>>>> a solution out there that does exactly the same. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> As for my web browsing experience, everything is much more >>>>>>>>>>>>> smooth >>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>> responsive. I can easily find what I want by using the >>>>>>>>>>>>> search >>>>>>>>>>>>> feature >>>>>>>>>>>>> in VoiceOver, and ever since Leopard was released the web >>>>>>>>>>>>> rotor >>>>>>>>>>>>> makes >>>>>>>>>>>>> it even easier, not to mention Auto web spots. So yes, I >>>>>>>>>>>>> do >>>>>>>>>>>>> use >>>>>>>>>>>>> Windows. Rarely, but I do. And I'm definitely not >>>>>>>>>>>>> ashamed to >>>>>>>>>>>>> admit >>>>>>>>>>>>> it. >>>>>>>>>>>>> But if a MUD client was accessible to VoiceOver, I would >>>>>>>>>>>>> not >>>>>>>>>>>>> touch >>>>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>>>> again. I've found my experience with Mac has not only been >>>>>>>>>>>>> productive, >>>>>>>>>>>>> but fun and enjoyable where as with Windows, I wanted to >>>>>>>>>>>>> throw >>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>> machine through the window half the time I was using it >>>>>>>>>>>>> due to >>>>>>>>>>>>> freezes, driver errors and so-forth. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, I think I'm done now. I want an iPhone, now that you >>>>>>>>>>>>> mention >>>>>>>>>>>>> it, >>>>>>>>>>>>> but at the same time you don't always need to have the >>>>>>>>>>>>> latest >>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>> greatest. And I need to realize that. :P. Yes, I loved the >>>>>>>>>>>>> iPhone >>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm used to the gestures since I use my trackpad quite a >>>>>>>>>>>>> lot, >>>>>>>>>>>>> but >>>>>>>>>>>>> at >>>>>>>>>>>>> the same time, I need a phone for text messaging and phone >>>>>>>>>>>>> calls. >>>>>>>>>>>>> That >>>>>>>>>>>>> is about it. It'll probably be faster to accomplish those >>>>>>>>>>>>> tasks >>>>>>>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>>>>>> the iPhone, I have no doubt about it. Maybe one day I'll >>>>>>>>>>>>> even >>>>>>>>>>>>> get >>>>>>>>>>>>> one. >>>>>>>>>>>>> But when I find a really good reason except for all the >>>>>>>>>>>>> apps >>>>>>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>>>>>> can >>>>>>>>>>>>> seemingly install with no issues, perfectly usable, then I >>>>>>>>>>>>> won't >>>>>>>>>>>>> buy >>>>>>>>>>>>> one. Besides, who wants to pay $99.95 for an iPhone plan >>>>>>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>>>>> Denmark? >>>>>>>>>>>>> Not me. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Have a great afternoon, folks. I at least know those >>>>>>>>>>>>> living in >>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>> Eastern timezone are approaching lunch time. :) >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>>>>>> Nic >>>>>>>>>>>>> Skype: Kvalme >>>>>>>>>>>>> MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk >>>>>>>>>>>>> AIM: cincinster >>>>>>>>>>>>> yahoo Messenger: cin368 >>>>>>>>>>>>> Facebook Profile >>>>>>>>>>>>> My Twitter >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 21, 2009, at 4:17 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi all, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I Thought I'd weigh in here, since I got my Mac around >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> same >>>>>>>>>>>>>> time >>>>>>>>>>>>>> almost, I'm going on three months now. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I agree with Anouk, and would add that I often find it's >>>>>>>>>>>>>> easier >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> use my PC for work-related tasks. As I mentioned >>>>>>>>>>>>>> earlier, I >>>>>>>>>>>>>> use >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ap Blackboard, which I have to use Windows for, as Safari >>>>>>>>>>>>>> isn't >>>>>>>>>>>>>> currently supported.. Since I'm logged into Blackboard >>>>>>>>>>>>>> most >>>>>>>>>>>>>> days, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>>>>>> sort of automatically means I'm using my PC, and the Mac >>>>>>>>>>>>>> gets >>>>>>>>>>>>>> relegated to after-hours. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I also still strongly prefer web-browsing on my PC. I've >>>>>>>>>>>>>> had >>>>>>>>>>>>>> so >>>>>>>>>>>>>> many >>>>>>>>>>>>>> experiences where on the Mac I simply cannot locate an >>>>>>>>>>>>>> item >>>>>>>>>>>>>> that I >>>>>>>>>>>>>> know is on a certain page. This never happens to me on >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> PC. I >>>>>>>>>>>>>> find >>>>>>>>>>>>>> that when browsing, I can do things in half the time on >>>>>>>>>>>>>> my >>>>>>>>>>>>>> PC, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> sometimes on the Mac, even after spending the extra >>>>>>>>>>>>>> time, I >>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't >>>>>>>>>>>>>> find >>>>>>>>>>>>>> what I'm looking for, and end up going back to the PC >>>>>>>>>>>>>> anyway. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm an avid reader, and so do a lot of scanning. I really >>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't >>>>>>>>>>>>>> like >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the idea of having to use two separate programs, one for >>>>>>>>>>>>>> scanning >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> one for the OCR, especially when I have one program on my >>>>>>>>>>>>>> PC >>>>>>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>>>>>> will >>>>>>>>>>>>>> do both jobs quite nicely. This of course isn't an Apple >>>>>>>>>>>>>> issue, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> but I >>>>>>>>>>>>>> do think that for many of us who are blind, the lack of a >>>>>>>>>>>>>> good >>>>>>>>>>>>>> solid >>>>>>>>>>>>>> scanning/ocr option, is a real obstacle in terms of >>>>>>>>>>>>>> seeing >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mac >>>>>>>>>>>>>> as >>>>>>>>>>>>>> a PC replacement. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Like Anouk, I've also pretty much decided to keep both a >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mac >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and a >>>>>>>>>>>>>> PC. at least for now, though I confess I'm tempted some >>>>>>>>>>>>>> days >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> just >>>>>>>>>>>>>> go back to my PC, in the interest of running just one >>>>>>>>>>>>>> OS on >>>>>>>>>>>>>> one >>>>>>>>>>>>>> computer. When I got my Mac, I had hoped not to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> upgrade to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> JAWS >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 11 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and Windows 7, but it looks like I'll be getting both. I >>>>>>>>>>>>>> use >>>>>>>>>>>>>> my >>>>>>>>>>>>>> PC >>>>>>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>>>>>> work, for scanning, and for most of my web browsing, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> which is >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 90% >>>>>>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>>>>> what I do. I like the Mac a lot. I like that VO is >>>>>>>>>>>>>> built >>>>>>>>>>>>>> in, I >>>>>>>>>>>>>> like >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the speed and responsiveness of the Mac, I like the fact >>>>>>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't take a year to boot or load an ap, and I like >>>>>>>>>>>>>> working >>>>>>>>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Itunes (I'm still running 8.2.), and I think the Mac >>>>>>>>>>>>>> seems to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> be >>>>>>>>>>>>>> far >>>>>>>>>>>>>> superior in how it works with Media. But the PC is what I >>>>>>>>>>>>>> go >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the things I really need to get done. I think for me, my >>>>>>>>>>>>>> experience >>>>>>>>>>>>>> with the Mac reflects my experience with the iphone. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> When I >>>>>>>>>>>>>> compare >>>>>>>>>>>>>> my iphone with my old Windows Mobile phone, the iphone is >>>>>>>>>>>>>> much >>>>>>>>>>>>>> more >>>>>>>>>>>>>> fun! I love the aps, the games, the ability to quickly do >>>>>>>>>>>>>> things >>>>>>>>>>>>>> like >>>>>>>>>>>>>> check weather, whereas my WM phone was loaded with all >>>>>>>>>>>>>> kinds >>>>>>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>>>>> practical stuff for editing documents spreadsheets, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> powerpoint, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> so >>>>>>>>>>>>>> on. I don't want to do any of that stuff on my phone, so >>>>>>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>>>>>> me, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> iphone is by far the better fit. but when it comes to a >>>>>>>>>>>>>> computer, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>>>>> cuts the other way, and I find myself favoring the PC >>>>>>>>>>>>>> which >>>>>>>>>>>>>> seems >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> lend itself more to the day-to-day things I need to get >>>>>>>>>>>>>> done. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Donna >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 21, 2009, at 5:05 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi again folks, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, broadcasts can certainly be done. Nicecast from >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rogue >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Amoeba >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://rogueamoeba.com >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> works extremely well. The only issue seems to be the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> effects >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> scroll >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> area, but I hope they'll be working on that. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Otherwise, it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> works >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ridiculously well, in fact, and I have nothing to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> complain >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not exactly sure about your Thumbkey thing. I don't >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can elaborate? Maybe I'm being dense here. :). >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As for VLC, I've never actually tried it out, and I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> personally >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> love >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> using Safari for web browsing. For me, everything is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> much >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> faster. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Also, which braille display are you using? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nic >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Skype: Kvalme >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AIM: cincinster >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> yahoo Messenger: cin368 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Facebook Profile >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My Twitter >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 21, 2009, at 10:22 AM, Tony Bernedal wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi again. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wow. Echomac, never heard of it but when I google it I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> found >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://echomac.sourceforge.net/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'll try it when I'm back home from work. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Anouk, I had a fire dtv reciever and used it with dvb >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> viewer >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> windows and Eye tv have driver for it so I gave it a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> try >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't work as I want at the moment. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have readiris on the disk and I'm going to try it out >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> see >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> how >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> works with swedish language and so on. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have heard of some broadcast tools for mac but at the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> moment I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> haven't looked in to it. I don't broadcast at the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> moment so >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have so high priority. I still have my studio pc >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sitting >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> under >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> desk so I can use stationplaylist and all the broadcast >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stuff >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> want to. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards Tony >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2009/10/21, a radix <anou...@home.nl>: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hey Tony, Nice to hear from you! (the world is a small >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> place) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Funny >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> started our mac journey at the seem time. I am >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> curious, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> broadcast on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the mac? I guess otsjuke wont work and obiously >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shoutcast >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wont >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> either. I was >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thinking of running windows with vmware but now I am >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thinking >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to ask my >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> brother to help me install windows 7 via bootcamp >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> instead. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Has >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anyone got >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> experience with installing windows via bootcamp as >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dual >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> boot? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> diffucult? I presume the drivers for windows 7 for the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> macbook >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pro >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> available from apple? I still want to try vuescan an >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dreadiris, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fact i >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have the programs on my computer bu tI want to wait >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> till >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hp >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> releases the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> drivers for my scanner that are native to sl, also I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hope >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time abbyy >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will have released a demo of finereader for the mac >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> native >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to sl. I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> am just concerned that either adf wont work, scanning >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> iwll >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> very >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> slow or >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dutch character recognition wont be as good as >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> omnipage. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am surprised that you also have the thumbkey >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> problem, i >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thought >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it was >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something stupid on my part, corrupt install >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> whatever. I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> guess >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will both >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have to mail apple accessibility about this. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, you are using a tv tuner with your mac? This is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> next >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thing >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> i want to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> taccle since now I have an analog tv standing on my >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> desk >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> taking up >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> space that I could use otherwise. I did have digital >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tv in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> past >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bu tI >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> had a lot of trouble with it and in the end just went >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> back >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> analog. There >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are not that many tuners for the mac I think (analog >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> otherwise) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> guess even less that are available in Europe. Which do >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> use? I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> guess as >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> long as I get one with a remote things will be ok >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (if it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> indeed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> find the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> channels). >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I too LOVE the sleep features of the mac, i never turn >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mine >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> off, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just close >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the lid and thats it. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Greetings, Anouk, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Tony Bernedal" <t...@bernedal.net> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 9:16 AM >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: my 2 months with a mac >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Anouk. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have also used my mac for around 3 months now, and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> still >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> use windows for a couple of things. I trying to get >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> scanning >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ocr to work on the mac but for now windows and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> omnipage >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jobb. I had a license for windows xp lying on the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shelf >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> no >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> longer working laptop and I installed xp with vmware >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> virtual >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> machine and doing my scanning there and it works good >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> virtual >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> machine is very slow. I also use windows for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Echolink, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wich >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ham-radio software wich don't exist on the mac. Also >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> software >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> setup and program my hamradio stations is only >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> windows >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> programs. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> very happy mac user now and after some updates to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> snow >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> leopard >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> problems with it is gone. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I hope the issue with the thumbkey on your display >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> solved. I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have same issue with alva satelite. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I also have a battle with EyeTV software wich for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> some >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> odd >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reason >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't find my tv channels on the cable network. And >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> also >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> very >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tricky to use with VO. I use VLC for webradio and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> movies >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> works >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> great (vlc version 1.x doesn't work under windows and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> linux >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with screenreader, only on mac, great!). >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And I also like the speed, starting my windows pc >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> here at >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> works >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> take >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> forever and the mac is at the desktop in almost 0 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sleep >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> works well too. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So I'm happy with my mac system. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Good luck with your mac! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards Tony >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2009/10/21, a radix <anou...@home.nl>: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello, I have been using my mac for about 2 months >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> especially >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> school >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> although at home I still often use my pc and I will >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> explain >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> below >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> why. In >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> general my experiences with the mac have been very >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> positive >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> especially >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> after >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> installing snow leopard. I can use skype and msn >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just as >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> well >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on my >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pc. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And after I dumped itunes and started using vlc >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> instead >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> watching >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> movies >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> listening to music became a breeze. I recently >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bought >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> apples >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> office suite >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because I prefer that over using textedit or the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> free >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> text >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> editors/office >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> suits that are available. I am also intending to go >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> use >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> garage band >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the future if I can get that working with my yamaha >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> keyboard. I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> built-in speakers and sound quality alhtough >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> listening >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> through >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> its sound >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> output with my own in ear monitors is nothing >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> special. I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> still >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> find using >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the internet on the mac a bit mor ework then i did >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> while >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> using >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pc and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> goes a bit slower also when reading docucments i >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> notice >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cannot >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> endlessly use the right thumb key on my braille >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> display >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> continue >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reading, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> eventually i have to press the right arrow on my >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> normal >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> keyboard >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> want >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to read onm. This does become irritating after a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> while >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> need to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> read >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> long documents. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> At home I still mostly use my windows pc although i >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gotten mail >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> working on the mac as well because 1. I use omnipage >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pro >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 16 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> under >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> windows >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> scan my books for school, while I know that there >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> some >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> scanning >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> solutions for the mac that i will probbably try once >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hp >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> drivers for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sl >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have been released I just dont know if they will >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be as >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> good >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> easy as >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> using omnipage pro 16 and am a bit hesistant to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> try it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that (I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> really really hope that a full version of finereader >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> eventually be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> released for the mac since I have heard it can rival >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> omnipage >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pro). >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Secondly there is filesharing, i will be brief. Ftp >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> does >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> work >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the mac >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with transmit which I rather like although I have >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> registered >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it yet, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> questions i asked its support team went unanswered. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Usenet >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> also >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> works but >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> udner windows I preferred to use other programs >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> available >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the mac. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The third point is playing games which I do a lot on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pec >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> especially >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> interactive fiction and muds. There is an >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> interpreter >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> interactive >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fiction called zoom which I tried and although I can >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> open >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> games >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> saved games were a problem for me since I could not >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> open a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> saved >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> game >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> file >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (made in frotz). >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For muds the situation on the mac is not so good, I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> play >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on windows but there is only one mudclient that I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> know >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> works >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> under >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sl and which is still being developed, jamochamud >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> works >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> under java. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is not too accessible at the moment but the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> programmer >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> promised to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> look >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at it, still it does not offer all the features even >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> then >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> am used >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on a windows client. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As soon as windows 7 becomes officially available >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> planning >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> install >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it on my mac (probbably via bootcamp) so that I at >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> least >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> use >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my mac >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the time even if I need to use windows, hopefully >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> scanning and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> downloading tasks I will in the future be able to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> use >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mac >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hopes for muds as well but for now at least my mac >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mostly >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> used >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> school >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and in the library. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Greetings, Anouk, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >> >> >>> >> >> > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. 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