The blunt truth is, some people who were the most bothered by Mario
this past weekend are just like him. No different. That is why he was so
successful in yanking your chains. He played you. (smiles)
Are we done yet?
From The Believer. . .
By way of the Chariots of the
Gods cameth the Aliens who
dwelt amongst the humans,
and bringeth much knowledge.
On 3/29/2015 4:20 PM, BBS wrote:
I'm with you man. I was there for a few years and got tired of the daily/hourly
drama there. I don't care if my account there gets hacked or suspended. I have
a bad reputation over there for being the poor little blind guy that can't
afford Jaws. Well now I have a Mac so I don't care if I don't have enough money
for Jaws. Voiceover on the Mac and iPhone beats Jaws any day.
Shawn
Sent From My White Macbook
----- Original Message -----
From: Christopher-Mark Gilland
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2015 1:44 PM
Subject: Re: starting to get irritated by IOS 8
Shawn,
This is why I won't promote and flat out refuse to go to the zone bbs.
chris.
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----- Original Message -----
From: Shawn Krasniuk
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2015 2:16 AM
Subject: Re: starting to get irritated by IOS 8
Chris, Mario kinda reminds me of another person on another mailing list
named Pablo Morales. Both of them like to complain about issues that most of us
aren't experiencing. The thing is, Apple must be doing something right if blind
and sighted people keep buying their products. And sure, there are bugs, but I
along with a hand full of blind beta testers are working hard to make iOS 8.3
and OS X Yosemite the best it can be.
As for Mario's questionable language, surprisingly, I'm not offended. I
just laughed at it because it shows how childish this person really is, so it
was entertaining for me. But on a serious note, this ain't the Zone BBS or it's
mailing list, so I agree with others that the swearing temper tantrum isn't
appropriate for a *Family* mailing list and should be dealt with.
Shawn
Sent From My White MacBook
On Mar 28, 2015, at 3:34 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland
<clgillan...@gmail.com> wrote:
Donna,
What bothers me mostly about this entire thread is that those unlike
you, and the Believer, etc. will not present the list with any rock-solid
examples of how things are still broken. How must one expect us to believe
them if they won't even back up their comments with anything worthwhile.
Chris.
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----- Original Message -----
From: Donna Goodin
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2015 9:19 AM
Subject: Re: starting to get irritated by IOS 8
I have to agree with the believer, here. I don't know what you guys
are talking about. Many of Yuma's comments are about whether Apple is still on
the cutting edge. I agree that Tim Cook and Johnny Ives aren't the visionaries
that Steve Jobs was, there's no question about that. But in terms of the
actual products, I've got IOS 8.2 on my phone, and I actually find Voiceover to
be more responsive than with IOS 8.0, so it seems pretty clear to me that they
made some accessibility improvements. I'm running Yosemite on my MBA, and am
happy with that as well. I don't feel in anyway that accessibility is being
pushed off to the side. Are there things that could be improved, absolutely.
But Apple is still doing a better job than any other company of building native
accessibility into its products. I had to use Windows 8 at my old job, and I
can say truthfully it'd be a cold day in hell before I switch back to a PC. I
haven't used an Android phone since 2010, and I'm sur
e the landscape there has changed significantly since then. But when I did try
it, the experience did not bring me joy.
This is just my experience, and as such, it is not intended to
invalidate the experiences of anyone who may actually be having problems, just
to say that not all of us are. Don't know why some would be while others
aren't, but perhaps that is the case.
Best,
Donna
On Mar 28, 2015, at 8:01 AM, mário navarro <mario....@gmail.com>
wrote:
man, why you are so stupid?
you work for apple?
apple pay all your debts at the end of the month?
apple solves all your problems of accessibility in the voice over?
yes, because only you have no accessibility problems in your iPhone
...
shut your mouth and respect the people in the group ...
Em 28/03/2015 02:04, Christopher-Mark Gilland escreveu:
All of the nightmarish things that happened with I O S 8 in the
beginning have pretty much been fixed.
I run I O S 8.2 on all of my devices, including my IPad Air first
generation, and all is very very smoothe. I really don't have any issues any
longer. OK, in Safari, on huge web pages, sometimes the item chooser will crap
the bed, but even that is becoming more and more rare, and the main web site
where I see this happen, is a major exception, as that page literally speaking
has over 12 thousand links on it.
Sorry, I'm not at liberty to go into what this site is, you're
just gonna have to trust me with this.
Chris.
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----- Original Message -----
From: Jon Solitro
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Friday, March 27, 2015 8:38 PM
Subject: Re: starting to get irritated by IOS 8
The app is called WritePad. I can't attest to the functionality
as I haven't been able to download it yet.
I know that many apps need ios 8. I'm justwondering if it is
worth it ot upgrade. In the past when I've upgraded, Voice Over tends to run
slower. How is it now? Should I upgrade?
Sent from my iPad
On Mar 27, 2015, at 2:17 PM, "george b" <gbma...@gmail.com>
wrote:
What is the name of the hand writing reconigation app I am
interested in this please.
thanks
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jon Solitro
Sent: Friday, March 27, 2015 10:54
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: starting to get irritated by IOS 8
I still haven't upgraded to iOs 8 on my iPad 2. I'm still
running iOs 7. I found a handwriting recognition app that needs iOs 8 to
install. Should I update, or can I expect slower operation?
On Wednesday, October 15, 2014 at 3:38:48 PM UTC-4, Yuma
Decaux wrote:
Hi all,
I don’t know about yall, but I have an iphone 6 with IOS 8
and I have to say that the experience is less than stellar. Bugs everywhere,
slower than on my iphone 5s, siri cut off midway then voice over not working,
hang like slowness when getting out of an app. I have to say that I have
started looking for alternatives as I feel like apple is trying to nudge things
too much into the “let big brother figure out for you what you should like and
do”. Point in case, that U2 debacle. Last weekend I was camping with some mates
and I was going through some tracks after lunch, and those damn U2 tracks kept
popping up like annoying ads. Really don’t want some band pushing their crap on
my life experience when I shelled out 1200 dollars for a phone that is supposed
to do things for me. Not the other way around. Sure, U2 has some great songs.
But their current 50’s midlife crisis moans aren’t my style, nor inspire me. I
can listen to that when I go into an apple store and w
ait for a genius to tell me my future.
Seriously folks, I’m not just going off on a rant, and for
those of you who want to reply by being defensive for apple, just remember a
few basic things:
1-You are customer. Customer is king, you are not serving
apple. Apple makes money off you, take 30 percent of the cut on your music
production or app developement with their platform. They serve you. Not the
other way around.
2-Apple is not god almighty. Apple has great people that
collectively create experiences. At the helm, a few individuals decide on the
direction of that experience. Personally, I don’t trust Tim Cook that much in
giving us a good experience. That Johnny Ive sounds like a pompous marketing
guy with design skills I cannot trust as head of human interface, a software
division, coming from someone who used to make toilet seats. The only one or
ones I can trust in this are frederici and some of the younger engineers
presented at the last apple showcase. but they don’t have enough say yet, so
we’re stuck with all that flash graphical transition animation style crap
instead of truly clean, efficient and snappy interfaces.
3-There are other choices out there, but I have no idea
what. Sometimes I wish I was sighted again so that I can really be part of the
process of creating real interfaces for everyone. It’s frustrating to know that
most companies follow what is standard and forget that standards are meant to
be broken and updated. Not broken at the cost of the buyer, no. If it’s broken,
it should be free, such as what google offers. Buying a 3000 dollar piece of
hardware to get clunky experiences and moments where you want to throw that
damn thing out the window and never touch it again is clearly not what I call
good experience on a computer. More and more of my friends, mac users, both
sighted and visually impaired, agree with me that apple is starting to rot in
terms of presenting it’s image. It’s not an underdog but a huge bulky oil
tanker that can now only manuver slowly with a battalion of lawyers behind
murmuring at the chief’s ears, the latter being probably more complac
ent than should be, thus giving us this weird awkward show each year now with a
barely straight talking TIm Cook who sounds like he never had a girl friend
chill time or something seems amiss in him. Some soul? Something. Whatever the
case, I don’t really dig the style apple is portraying. It’s becoming a disney
world presentation with oooohs and aaahs when the tech behind is quite
literally lagging. No visionary stuff, when this qualification should by now,
from all the sci fi, the research and the graduations of bright people, should
lead us much farther in terms of actual interaction with a computer, and let’s
not forget screen readers.
Anyway, off for my morning coffee. Have a great day yall
Yuma Antoine Decaux
"Light has no value without darkness"
Mob: +612102277190
Skype: Shainobi1
twitter: http://www.twitter.com/triple7
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