FS is not a bad company. I think the main problem with jaws is that it's full of what programmers call "cruft". Cruft is inefficient code that has accumulated over many years. I would think it is especially difficult to avoid cruft with screen readers since they are so intricately linked to the operating system. To avoid cruft, you have to have a solid commitment to rewriting stuff from the ground up once in a while and that is going to be really, really hard with a screen reader. On the other hand, it does seem as if jaws is particularly full of cruft even for a screen reader. I suspect that some of the early coding wasn't that good based on how often it used to crash.

But, honestly, I think FS's customer support is as good as it gets. The only complaint I'd have against FS as a company would be that crazy licensing scheme they had. I am not sure they still do it this way but if you changed any of the hardware in your PC, you had to re-license. If you added ram or swapped out a CD-ROM drive, you'd have to re-license jaws.

I guess I'll be finding out soon. I am going to have to start using VMware's vcenter client and it is optimized for jaws.

On 03/30/2015 06:21 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
You gotta be kidding! regarding Apple and FS. Oh dear god! please tell me you are! LOL!
Chris.
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    *From:* David Chittenden <mailto:dchitten...@gmail.com>
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    Hello,

    Apple attempted to get Freedom Scientific to create a screen
    reader for OSX. FS refused, so Apple took development in-house.

    Berkeley Systems was a small company. I visited their offices once
    in the mid 90's. I suspect Apple did not wish to use a small group
    for screen reader development again after Berkeley Systems went
    out-of-business.

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    On 31 Mar 2015, at 07:37, Anne Robertson <a...@anarchie.org.uk
    <mailto:a...@anarchie.org.uk>> wrote:

    Hello,

    On 30 Mar 2015, at 19:26, Todor Fassl <fassl....@gmail.com
    <mailto:fassl....@gmail.com>> wrote:

    Correct me if I'm wrong but the reason Apple developed voiceover
    in the first place was that the only  company making a screen
    reader for Mac OS went out of business. If that company couldn't
    survive before voiceover, it certainly couldn't survive now.


    I was already a Mac user back when OS X first came out and Alva
    Access Group was still in business and wanted to make a
    screenReader for OS X. However, Apple would not give them access
    to the necessary information and it was a few years before it
    became clear that Apple had decided to make its own screen reader.

    Along with quite a few other blind Mac users, I was unable to
    progress beyond OS9 and in fact remained with OS 8 as it was
    still working for me.

    I protested vociferously to Apple about the lack of a screen
    reader and jumped on the public beta of VoiceOver in the summer
    of 2004. It was then known as the Spoken Interface.

    Cheers,

    Anne

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