Well, this is now really going to be off-topic, so just a couple of comments. We also have a new car, and I know what you mean about all the gadgets. But it does come with a manual, and for those who actually read it, my husband not being one of them, apparently it's really helpful. Smile. As for those of you who wish to break the law, that is your business. And I hope you get caught. Smile. Mary
Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 1, 2015, at 10:38 AM, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> wrote: > > So I think there is some validity to the complaints. Apple under Steve was a > much more thorough company when it came to QA. Under Tim Cook things have > gotten sloppy. The Apple maps issue is one of the big indicators of this. > Secondly, Microsoft has n o screen reader because the folks at the NFB > forced them not to. Freedom scientific bribed the NFB for 7 figures to > protest Microsoft’s creation of a screen reader because it was a competitor > to JFW and FS didn’t want to see a functional included screen reader. I know > someone who was present in the room when Ted Henter offered the bribe to the > NFB president for north of a million. With in a week protestors were > marching up and down in Redmond in front of the MS head quarters. Try tried > to do something similar to Apple but Apple ignored them and proceeded anyway. > So you can thank the NFB for not having a screen reader native to windows. > Finally, I think you’re little off base with your equivalent comments on > cars and such. A lot of sited people do have to fiddle with these things > when they buy them. My uncle just bought a new car and he has been > desperately trying to learn all the gadgets. There is a steep learning curve > and there is in fact stuff that doesn’t work right. A lot of us as well > aren’t happy with the stupid smog control laws and such and reprogram our > cars to be much more efficient and get better milage as well as more power. > We also have nanny things like the 155 MPH fuel cut off and other big brother > limitations removed. Think of the huge modification industry where you can > buy everything from new rims to new radios. I do agree I think a lot of us > assume there will be bugs but that’s sort of the nature of the beast, not > something bad but rather something that just comes with the computing > territory. > > Good points and good things to think about, thank you for the post. > > >> On Oct 1, 2015, at 12:33 PM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> To the person who said they don't remember negativity when new releases of >> screen readers came along, I can only say, I don't know where you were. But >> I used to be a regular on the window eyes list. And let me say, there were >> tons and tons and tons of complaints every time new releases came out. There >> were, in fact, bugs, some of them serious affecting some people. And that >> screen reader vendor was a very small player in a very big pond, contending >> with multiple versions of the OS an endless configurations a hardware. I >> think the reason people expect more from Apple is because Apple has a >> reputation, their stuff sells for more than everybody else's, they are the >> richest company in the tech sector, and they used to say, "it just >> works."and for better or worse, they have taken up the gauntlet of >> accessibility and done a lot of very good things. Are you listening >> Microsoft? Where is your screen reader? But this isn't about comparing >> apples with anybody else. It is about what Apple supposedly stands for. Bug >> free? No. Serious bug free upon release? To be devoutly wished for. To the >> folks who say that some of us regular consumers are "afraid of our >> machines", I would only say, when you buy any other complicated machine such >> as a car, or even a complicated video set up or one of today's fancier home >> appliances, do you expect to have to fool with it get into the inside of it, >> mess with it, restarted restore it repair it? No, of course not. But there >> is a different standard being held for users of computers. Maybe some of it >> dates back to that "good old days". Maybe it's just that some people are in >> the tech industry and have a lot of knowledge. But, just as I would not have >> expected anyone to be able to do my job off the street, I don't think it is >> realistic or even reasonable to suppose that people who get a new OS or a >> new machine should have to straightway start screwing around with it before >> they can use it. If that makes me a complainer, so be it. I really >> appreciate that Apple has done a lot with voiceover, including the new >> features in the new version of OS X. I will wait to see what the good folks >> at Apple his who did the original report, have to say about these bugs. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Oct 1, 2015, at 5:25 AM, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> No I agree with you, that’s why I mentioned what I thought about bugs. The >>> whole vibe I get from this thread is there are a lot of people afraid of >>> their machines. None of this stuff is hard to revert, especially if you >>> have a good backup which Apple makes it ridiculously easy to do. No guts, >>> no glory! >>> >>>> On Oct 1, 2015, at 4:13 AM, Krister Ekstrom <kris...@kristersplace.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> A philosophical pondering which probably will get me flogged and called >>>> names but isn’t it strange how when a new release of the MacOs comes out, >>>> the things that stay longest around in the blind community are the bugs >>>> and the negative? If by chance there would be things that actually could >>>> effect us positively that would hardly be mentioned at all and if they >>>> are, they quickly drown in the negative comments. I have used El Capitan >>>> from Beta 1 and am loving it! I’ve noticed one bug but i can live with it >>>> since it was much, much worse in the developer betas. I can’t remember >>>> this much negativity coming when windows or new jaws releases came along, >>>> it’s like Apple still is the under dog and it has to be perfect and even >>>> then we’d probably find something that’s not right. >>>> But why should anyone listen i’m a minority and go against what the >>>> majority says so i must be wrong by default. >>>> /Krister >>>> >>>>> 30 sep. 2015 kl. 19:56 skrev Alex Hall <mehg...@icloud.com>: >>>>> >>>>> Hi all, >>>>> Just a note to say that El Capitan has been released. I compiled a bug >>>>> list for AppleVis which I strongly recommend everyone looks at, as there >>>>> are some pretty major problems on there. I also wrote a blog, and did a >>>>> podcast, covering the new features in VoiceOver. Links: >>>>> >>>>> Bug List: >>>>> http://www.applevis.com/blog/mac-os-x-news/accessibility-bugs-os-x-1011-el-capitan-serious-minor >>>>> >>>>> New Features Blog: >>>>> http://www.applevis.com/blog/assistive-technology-mac-os-x-news/whats-new-os-x-1011-el-capitan-voiceover-users >>>>> >>>>> New Features Podcast: >>>>> http://www.applevis.com/podcast/episodes/exploring-some-new-accessibility-features-os-x-1011-el-capitan >>>>> >>>>> I realized, in reading this email back, that it might come off as a >>>>> little arrogant. I don't mean it that way, I just wanted to give people a >>>>> single place to get some coverage about the new OS, and those are the >>>>> only accessibility-centric sources I know of for now. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Have a great day, >>>>> Alex Hall >>>>> mehg...@icloud.com >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>>>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. 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