I would just like to point something  out to Mark. I hope he does not mind. 

Last week, I arraised my SSD drive on my I mac, and whilst there was nothing on 
it, I put my USB key in to the mac without choosing the start up disk in 
preferences. I then put the Mac on and after 3 or 4 minutes, pressed command F5 
and I was in the menu of whether or not I wanted to install El Capitan.

Thanks.

Kawal.  

Sent from my iPhone

> On 17 Oct 2015, at 1:12 a.m., M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote:
> 
> Hello Brian,
> 
> This is Mark.
> 
> One can absolutely perform a clean install, without sighted assistance, 
> provided that they use the Startup Disk option located in the System 
> Preferences panel.  
> 
> The general order of things are as follows:
> 
> 1.
> While your Mac is booted up to it's normal finder Desktop, insert a USB key 
> containing the install of your preferred OS, into the Mac..
> 
> 2.
> From the Apple menu, select System Preferences.
> 
> 3.
> Select Startup Disk.
> 
> 4.
> Now, select the USB key in which you want to boot when the computer restarts.
> 
> 5.
> Restart the Mac and it will boot directly into the USB key.  
> 
> 6.
> Now, enable VoiceOver and you're good to go.
> 
> Mark
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Brian Fischler
> Sent: Friday, October 16, 2015 5:01 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Help with rolling back to Yosemite as I am stuck
> 
> Chris then how do people say you can do this without sighted help? As I have 
> read people have been doing clean installs via a bootable usb drive with VO. 
> Thanks,
>> On Oct 16, 2015, at 7:57 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>> <clgillan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I cannot tell you if there is only one thing you're tabbing to, or how many 
>> times to do so.  That depends on how many startup disk volumes are 
>> configured on your system.
>> 
>> You do have the general idea correct though.
>> 
>> As for when to turn on Voiceover, once the system boots, then turn it on. 
>> You may have to try several times, but eventually, it should come up.
>> 
>> I hope you're not running into the same nightmare I ran into.
>> 
>> Finally, I wound up having to reformat and just install from scratch with a 
>> bootable USB drive, and not run a disk backup image.
>> 
>> Chris.
>> 
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Fischler" <brianfisch...@me.com>
>> To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>> Sent: Friday, October 16, 2015 7:52 PM
>> Subject: Re: Help with rolling back to Yosemite as I am stuck
>> 
>> 
>> Chris,
>> 
>> 
>> Just wanted to make sure I have this correct. Start the computer while 
>> holding down the option key, then hit tab and enter? Is there only one thing 
>> I am tabbing to? When do I try and turn VO back on? Thanks,
>>> On Oct 16, 2015, at 7:45 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>> <clgillan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Don't arrow.  That's your problem.  You wanna hit the tab key when in the 
>>> boot menu.  Tab and shift tab.  Don't arrow.
>>> 
>>> Chris.
>>> 
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Fischler" <brianfisch...@me.com>
>>> To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>> Sent: Friday, October 16, 2015 7:29 PM
>>> Subject: Help with rolling back to Yosemite as I am stuck
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hey all,
>>> 
>>> So I started my roll back to Yosemite and am stuck. I was able to erase the 
>>> El Crapitan from my hard drive but do not seem to get VO running when I try 
>>> and boot up with my bootable USB Install Yosemite drive. Everything I have 
>>> read says you have to restart your computer and hold the option screen to 
>>> get to the screen with your bootable thumb drive on it. For some reason I 
>>> am thinking this screen might not work with VO as I waited over an hour and 
>>> could not get VO to turn on. Does anyone happen to know how to arrow 
>>> without VO running to get your bootable disc to launch? If not, is there 
>>> anyway to boot in to your drive using disk utility as I am back in disc 
>>> utility but do not see anywhere I can do this and selecting reinstall OS 
>>> and hitting continue just gives me a you are not connected to the internet 
>>> error message. Thanks for any help.
>>> 
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