Brian,
Let me just start by first extending my sympathy to you for all the
frustration which you've had to endure the last couple of days. Trust me,
buddy! I can totally relate.
I do want to commend you though on 1, not giving up. 2, sticking things out
with the list, as well as with Apple Accessibility. I'm happy to hear you
guys got things situated, and that a fix is coming. More so, this really
makes me gain respect for Apple that the gentlemen you spoke with was so
upfront with you in admitting the issues with Voiceover. That isn't
heartenning, but it is! heartenning, as at least we know there is someone
out there who knows, and is on our side with this. So yeah... please do
keep us posted on how your downgrade goes. I, for one, would be very
interested in hearing your final outcome.
Chris.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Fischler" <brianfisch...@me.com>
To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2015 4:23 PM
Subject: Re: Safari on the Mac worse than ever?
Hi Jamie,
I had serious safari bugs with VO being extremely unstable meaning sites
that i personally visit a lot fantasy pros and Facebook two that come right
to mind constantly would cause VO to crash. When I say crash VO would turn
off as I would hear the click VO makes when you turn it on and then I would
hear Welcome to VoiceOVer. Additionally on a lot of sites if you were going
from link to link using your down arrow VO would read one link but not the
next link. You would have to hit the up arrow then down arrow again and then
VO would read the next link. Got to be quite frustrating and
counterproductive. I did enjoy the snappiness and responsiveness of VO in
mail, but in mail while going through these lists and deleting messages I
would constantly get error messages that mail could not move the deleted
item to the trash therefore cluttering up my inbox.
I decided to roll back to Yosemite which was a bloody awful experience as I
got something I have never seen before on a mac meaning VO was basically
reading a word then gone for a minute or two then back and same over and
over. Spoke to Apple Accessibility this morning and the guy was fantastic.
We went over all of my issues the exact steps I took and the guy even
admitted that yes, VO users have had some very serious issues in El Capitan
and that the fix is coming soon. He then got me started on doing a time
machine restore. I left for a few hours just got back and thankfully
everything is back to running the way it was on Yosemite. So yes a lot of
frustration and anger, but not once did I say I was leaving Apple, and I am
quite thankful to have such a valuable resource as the Apple Accessibility
phone number and Time Machine.
On Oct 17, 2015, at 3:44 PM, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote:
But it IS opinions regardless who says what. Its not a new concept that
when someone has trouble with say, OS X, that makes Windows look very
appealing. Or the opposite. How many times have we seen unhappy users of
iOS devices state they will go with some other brand? Its a knee jerk
reaction to what seems to be insurmountable frustrations. We do not need
to feed into this.
Chris, you are right up there with the best of them in this respect. Yet
how some people on this list overlook *your* drama and try their best to
help you? My hat is off to those people.
We all have our moments of insurmountable frustration. Its a good time
to walk away, get some fresh air or coffee, anything but sit there fuming.
A good strategy would be akin to a well known TV detective hwo would
say, "Just the facts, ma'am". In other works, state the issue, leave the
drama out of it, get to the point and pray that someone will provide a
quick solution. And if you were smart and walked away, you just might come
back to that solution.
The indisputable truth of it is that nothing will ever be 100% just the
way we want it. When Apple works. Apple is peachy. But let one thing go
wrong and Apple is the scum of the earth. That accomplishes nothing. Fact
is, human error will *always* be part of the equation. There is no
escaping that.
From E.T.'s Keyboard...
ancient.ali...@icloud.com
Many believe that we have been visited
in the past. What if it were true?
On 10/17/2015 11:36 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
I'm not meaning this to be disrespectful, but I agree totally with
Jamie. In all this drama about how the mac is worse, and how Windows is
becoming more appealing, we've lost the main topic. It's so bad now, I
don't even know what exactly the initial bugs are.
Can someone give a refresher, without that is, being all slammy toward
either Windows, or toward Apple? Leave your opinions out. For now, I
just want the facts.
Again, I definitely mean this with all due respect.
Chris.
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Jamie Pauls <mailto:jamiepa...@gmail.com>
*To:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
*Sent:* Saturday, October 17, 2015 1:27 PM
*Subject:* Re: Safari on the Mac worse than ever?
To be honest, I’ve not seen the horrible Safari issues some are
experiencing. What are a few of the worst bugs, here?
Take care and have a great day.
Jamie Pauls
jamiepa...@gmail.com <mailto:jamiepa...@gmail.com>
On Oct 17, 2015, at 11:28 AM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu
<listse...@me.com <mailto:listse...@me.com>> wrote:
You can report bugs to accessibil...@apple.com
<mailto:accessibil...@apple.com>. You can also, if you have
access to the Apple Bug Reporter, Radar, use that system to file
bugs against the “Accessibility” classification.
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