None of that explains why they have to abandon the headphone jack. Your point 
about the M4A encoding quality doesn't really address the issue, which is that 
ITunes and Apple Music do not provide as good audio quality as other providers. 
Surely, you are own guessing Apple's reasons for implimenting this, just in the 
same way as I am. I am however prepared to accept that there may be quite a lot 
of truth in what you've written my friend. I am however able to take a 
seemingly more neutral and balanced approach to Apple. I love their 
accessibility, but I do not appreciate the way they lock customers into their 
products. I get the feeling that you might be an Apple extremist, unable to 
find any fault with anything they do, advising people not to speak up against 
their concerns. If their concerns are raised then at least this helps Apple 
understand how their customers feel about their productts, which is very 
valuable for any business. My Apple extremism analogy seems further supported 
by your email signature. Apple is not a religion; it is a business. There is no 
need to respond to critiques of said business with suce emotive fervour.

Well I must say, this is out of character for me. I normally avoid 
confrontations on email lists and forums, but I'm quite enjoying myself. Hope 
you are too. 

.  ,

Sent from my iPhone

> On 18 Jan 2016, at 12:09, Ray Foret Jr <rforet7...@comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> Frankly,  I think you are looking for a reason to abandin Apple anyway.  
> Sounds like it to me.  I know that audio can both be received by the 
> lightning jack as well as send it out.  Furthermore, the lightning jack can 
> render true 5.1 channel sound.  Can your precious 3.5 MM jack do that?  Of 
> course it cannot.  As for file resolution.  YOu are wrong in stating that 
> .m4a only goes up to 256KBPS.  I can code it as high as 320KBPS.  I'm not 
> sure if you bothered to really pay attention to what I said but, Apple is 
> soon going to role out true high resolution audio.  I'm quite certain they 
> will have the adapters for older headphone models.  
> !
> 
> Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
> built-in
> 
> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,
> 
> Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
> iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!
> 
>> On Jan 18, 2016, at 5:45 AM, 'onlineeagle' via MacVisionaries 
>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Does seem like a cynical money making scheme. There's no reason why they 
>> can't have both options. All this means is that potentially people are going 
>> to find there old headphones redundant. If Apple provide lightning to 
>> headphone jack adapters then maybe this won't be so bad, but Apple are 
>> pretty good at trying to corner their customers and force them into staying 
>> Apple. You can only use ITunes  on iPhones and iPods, not android devices.  
>> and IBooks can only be accessed on Apple devices. Whereas Kindle books can 
>> be read on both Amazons own devices as well as iPhones and iPods. You can't 
>> drag and drop files from your computer to your phone like you can with most 
>> other phones. You can't get content out of your phone from other apps like 
>> you can with other phones. As for audio quality: Apple music and ITunes only 
>> go as high as 256 kbps. If they cared about audio quality then surely this 
>> wouldn't be the case.  Spotify goes up to 320 kB per second, and services 
>> like tidal have los less audio quality.
>> 
>> Finally, do we even know if a lightning to headphone jack would really be 
>> possible? I do not want to be forced into buying proprietary headphones. If 
>> this happens then I'll abandon Apple. I think it's important that people let 
>> Apple know about their concerns. Maybe we should have done something similar 
>> about their working conditions for their workers in China, but that's 
>> another issue. Thanks.    
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 18 Jan 2016, at 11:17, Ray Foret Jr <rforet7...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I would advise having nothing to do with this.  You are overlooking an 
>>> obvious benefit;  and it's not just more money for Apple:  rather it's 
>>> this.  The plain fact is that it's better to lose the headphone jack 
>>> because you can get much better audio out of the lightning connecter than 
>>> you can out of the 3.5MM jack.  With the use of the lightning connecter, 
>>> you can take advantage of the high resolution audio format which Apple is 
>>> said to be roling out soon.  Also, there are other advantages besides.  
>>> Don't fall for this emotional knee-jerk nonsense.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> !
>>> 
>>> Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
>>> built-in
>>> 
>>> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,
>>> 
>>> Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
>>> iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!
>>> 
>>>> On Jan 18, 2016, at 4:54 AM, Terje Strømberg <terjestrmb...@gmail.com> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Friends,
>>>> 
>>>> If the rumours are true, the iPhone 7 will have a non-standard, 
>>>> proprietary headphone jack -- meaning piles more cash for Apple and miles 
>>>> more e-waste for the rest of us.
>>>> 
>>>> Sign this petition to get Apple to stick to the standard headphone jack on 
>>>> the iPhone: http://action.sumofus.org/a/iphone-headphone-jack/?sub=mtl
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