There is no doubt that we want Apple to keep our data secured.
Its laughable that Trump wants us to boycott Apple. But I am
absolutely certain that if his own iPhone was hacked, he would make the
most hideously dreadful noise and blame Apple for it.
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Many believe that we have been visited
in the past. What if it were true?
On 2/20/2016 1:25 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:
Hello.
I really like your explanation and how you put it in simple terms. You
are absolutely right so it is best that Apple stuck to their guns and
not let FBI or that stupid Trump who wants to become president of the US
tell anyone what to do. I even bet that trump has an I phone. Sorry
for bringing that Trump up, but he irritates me even though I’m not a US
citizen, he gets on my nerves. I know I shouldn’t say this but he talks
a lot of nonsense in my opinion.
Kawal.
On 20 Feb 2016, at 20:41, Tyler Thompson <tktpianostud...@gmail.com
<mailto:tktpianostud...@gmail.com>> wrote:
So I feel it’s about time to throw in my 2 cents here. I’m a Certified
Ethical Hacker and I’ve got qualifications and certifications in
regards to cryptography, steganography and cyber security. I don’t
bring this up to brag but instead to outline that I’m speaking from a
place of experience. In this letter
<http://www.apple.com/customer-letter/> to us, the customers Tim Cook
does a decent job of outlining the issue.
I can say with 100% certainty that by creating access to a single
phone apple will significantly reduce it’s ability to protect your
data, and, what’s worse they’ll give that access to the FBI. There’s
no such thing as a backdoor into 1 device. One of the most potent
security measures, and one that Apple has implemented is to ensure
that nobody again *nobody* has access to secured data, including Apple
themselves. When I’m contracted out to build secure apps or websites I
do the same thing, for example, once a password has been created for a
user I do not, and cannot ever gain access to that users account.
In order to build a “backdoor” you have to build it into the operating
system. This means every iOS operating system would become vulnerable
to both malicious hackers and our government. But let me give it to
you in an analogy: Imagine that the iPhone is your home. Now imagine
that your home is in a bad neighborhood and is a high-profile home. So
the FBI comes along and asks you to please smash out one of your own
windows in broad daylight. When you say it lowers the security of your
home the answer is “Well it’s ok, thieves in the area don’t know which
window you smashed out.”
I’ve been a very avid Apple fan for years now, I love their
accessibility, I love their products but knowing about cyber security
I can guarantee you right now that if they build this backdoor I will
immediately stop using apple products.
You want one even scarier? Think about a backdoor to an operating
system that houses your credit card info for Apple Pay. That’s not
enough for you? What about your keychain? You know, the one where you
store all your passwords for things like your bank account.
We can say “Surely you can just do it this once” all we want to but
I’m here to tell you there’s no such thing. Once you’ve lowered your
security it’s done and the product will never be as secure again.
Tyler K. Thompson
-Software Engineer
On Feb 20, 2016, at 1:22 PM, Eric Oyen <eric.o...@icloud.com
<mailto:eric.o...@icloud.com>> wrote:
ok,
the way I see it, apple can come up with a method to access the
device. Hell, if the fingerprints of the terrorists are still
available, and that were the only method of encryption, then the FBI
already has its problem solved. If, however, there was a secondary
method (like a passcode) used, then it becomes a lot harder to get
into the device. Note: I did not say impossible.
Now, apple can develop a method by which they can access the phone.
they aren't required to publish it nor to provide it to law
enforcement. all they need to do is provide a technician who knows
the method (and has the program). since that program will not be
turned over to the FBI, there is essentially no problem. Apple would
retain custody of the program and the method and law enforcement
would have to follow the law (file a warrant, etc.). At this point,
there would be no back door to exploit To further secure it, I would
props that the program be placed on a specialized (and isolated)
device. THis device cannot be plugged into any network and would also
require the use of a password (only known to apple) to work.
does this sound like a decent proposal?
-eric
On Feb 19, 2016, at 4:34 PM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
I agree,
It's not just terrorist that this will effect it's all IOS device users.
A back door access to one device is a back door to all devices of
that type.
Iargree
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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of George Cham
Sent: Friday, 19 February 2016 9:21 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
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Subject: Re: Any comments on Apple's position against unreasonable
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That's a good point about the fingerprint. But my question is this
doesn't make apple an accessory to terrorism if they don't
cooperate with the FBI?
George,
Sent from my iPad
On 19 Feb 2016, at 6:53 PM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com
<mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
Apart from that point where if your phone battery dies and you need to
use the pin code to open it for the first time
Or did they even have finguerprints setup on the devices.
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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
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Subject: Re: Any comments on Apple's position against unreasonable
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Karen, you raise a really really good question. Why don’t they
just use the fingerprint of the phone owner. He’s dead anyway so
you don’t have to worry about his specific rights, he’s dead.:)
Couldn’t they lift a print or even a finger and just use that?
Now I really smell a rat since they had the body and had a means in.
On Feb 18, 2016, at 2:08 PM, Karen Lewellen
<klewel...@shellworld.net <mailto:klewel...@shellworld.net>> wrote:
Not only is Apple 100% correct here, the FBI is not using other
doors, such as the fingerprints of those involved.
A master key like the one the FBI desires seeing created is simply
unwise to develop. Hackers have anoth leeway, and no one should
have their privacy compromised in this fashion.
After all consider how often the government has themselves been
hacked, not only could this key be abused by the government, it could
be stolen by others. Just my take, Karen
On Thu, 18 Feb 2016, Scott Granados wrote:
Wonder if anyone else is following Tim Cook’s position against
being forced to cripple the security on iPhones. Anyone have any
comments?
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