Fair statements, and point taken.
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From: Chris Meredith
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2016 1:08 AM
Subject: Re: bar instead of function keys on new Mac Book Pros?
Oh. With FileVault, you first boot into the recovery partition. Whilst
Command+F5 gets you something that talks you through the prompts and calls
itself VoiceOver, it’s likely a set of canned sound samples (remember, you’re
only being prompted for your username and password, so you don’t necessarily
need the ability to speak dynamic text here). This to say, Siri, if it were in
OS X 10.next, is likely not running on the recovery partition, and you’d likely
need to find another way to Command+F5 your way into the more accessible login
interface for FileVault users.
On Jun 11, 2016, at 7:57 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland
<clgillan...@gmail.com> wrote:
What do you mean? I don't follow your logic, no pun intended. Sorry bout
that.
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From: Chris Meredith
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2016 4:32 PM
Subject: Re: bar instead of function keys on new Mac Book Pros?
Although that wouldn’t solve the issue for those of us with FileVault
enabled.
On Jun 10, 2016, at 10:47 PM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com>
wrote:
Hey what about the rumour that the new apple notebooks are going to
have this touch bar but also siri which will allow you to turn voiceover on by
just saying hey siri!
Wont that be great.
From:
macvisionaries@googlegroups.com[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Alex Hall
Sent: Saturday, 11 June 2016 1:07 PM
To: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: bar instead of function keys on new Mac Book Pros?
I've tried to stay away from all the speculative threads, but I wanted
to remind everyone that this isn't Apple's first rodeo. Plus, this is all over
rumors, backed up by a few images; we have no real idea what will happen in the
future. What if this is all false, and it doesn't happen? What if this bar has
taptic feedback, so that touching it simulates touching keys? What if the keys
are there, but each is a screen instead of plastic?
But let's assume the worst: a smooth, glass surface that provides no
feedback when touched, unless VoiceOver is on. Why the automatic assumptions
that Apple will forget about VoiceOver? Remember the rumors that flew when the
Apple Watch was presented, and didn't use its internal speaker on stage? People
jumped to the conclusion that it lacked such a speaker and thus would be
totally inaccessible. The Watch on my wrist tells me that was a false alarm. Or
when, you know, Apple pretty much invented screen-reading on a device with no
buttons, in the iPod Touch and then iPhone? Or when it included great VoiceOver
features in the (smooth and featureless) glass of the Apple TV 4 remote? Or
when it made sure that there was some form of audible feedback when booting
into an encrypted system, even though VoiceOver couldn't be used at the login
prompts?
But let's throw out history and assume Apple does the thing some people
think they will: they make this Mac, and don't include any way of toggling
VoiceOver on. No simple trackpad gesture, no holding the command key and
tapping twice anywhere on the bar, nothing whatsoever. In that incredibly
unlikely case, you simply don't buy the newest Mac until a software update
fixes the problem. I really don't understand the negativity here, is all I'm
saying.
On Jun 10, 2016, at 18:09, Daniel Miller <miller...@gmail.com> wrote:
If they replace the function keys with the touch sensitive bar,I
along with probably most of this list will lose a lot of respect for them as a
company. I understand that they're supposed to integrate touch ID into this
bar, but there are several other places on the machine itself or touch ID could
be integrated without having to lose physical function keys. I have a feeling
the Tim Cook led Apple is valuing form over function, which for people with
disabilities, isn't always the best idea. Lenovo attempted this no function key
idea with one of their machines, and guess what? It absolutely bombed, even for
people that did not have a disability.
Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus
On Jun 10, 2016, at 6:00 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland
<clgillan...@gmail.com> wrote:
Honestly, totally agreed.
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Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 5:57 PM
Subject: Re: bar instead of function keys on new Mac Book Pros?
I think the touch bar is stupid, enough said.
Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus
On Jun 10, 2016, at 5:01 PM, Ray Foret jr
<rforet7...@comcast.net> wrote:
Hi there,
Rumor has it that the soon forth coming Mac book pros will
feature a touch bar instead of function keys on the keyboard. This raises an
interesting question. Assuming that Voice Over is turned off on any one of the
new Mac book Pros that a blind user goes up to, how is a blind person supposed
to turn on Voice Over if there are no physical function keys but instead a
touch bar? I think maybe I can guess. If a blind person needs to turn on
Voice OVer, it should be possible by pressing VO+touch anyware on the bar and
that should do it. Or else, triple tap the bar to turn Voice OVer on. I can
almost imagine the e-mails now.
Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for
the blind built-in
Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray
Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV
user!!!!!
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