Yep, for got about that! Cait
> On Jun 26, 2016, at 6:55 PM, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote: > > Cait, > Better than any of that is uhm, the time before computers! > > From E.T.'s Keyboard... > Are We Alone in the Universe? > ancient.ali...@icloud.com > > On 6/26/2016 3:42 PM, Caitlyn Furness wrote: >> Exactly!! things change over time. >> >> does anybody remember 8 track tapes, or even just plain old cassettes?? How >> about those huge 5 and a half inch floppy disks? How about when all the >> memory you could get was something like 64 megs, and there really wasn’t any >> portable storage?? >> >> yep, progress is good! >> >> Cait >> >>> On Jun 26, 2016, at 6:24 PM, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote: >>> >>> Some members here may not go back far enough to the days of the many >>> choices we had for headphones. Wired, wired, wired, wired, and wired. >>> (smiles) >>> >>> I really do not get this concern over a possible change in hardware that >>> no one has laid eyes on. But if it is true, its as good as carved in stone >>> (the 7 is likely off the drawing board by now). And should I need (not >>> want) a new phone, why, I have faith in Apple in its ability to provide >>> what may be needed to satisfy connectivity concerns. >>> >>> From E.T.'s Keyboard... >>> Are We Alone in the Universe? >>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com >>> >>> On 6/26/2016 3:09 PM, erik burggraaf wrote: >>>> All this makes me very glad I'm an android user. Whether the demize of >>>> the 3.5 mm jack turns out to be a good thing long term or not, I myself >>>> am not ready to take that step. I can't even really go for bluetooth >>>> headphones which I'd really like to do because I need wired headphones >>>> for so many things besides my phone. The bank machine for example. I >>>> have to have bt headphones that give me the option of plugging in when I >>>> want to and those headsets are so bulky and so expensive that they >>>> really aren't useful as wireless headphones. >>>> >>>> So, I just bought a $100 android phone that does everything I would want >>>> to do with an Iphhone, doesn't have nearly as good a screen, but has >>>> much better battery life and sound system, figures to last me for two >>>> years or more, and let's me keep the audio jack. >>>> >>>> Best, >>>> >>>> Erik Burggraaf >>>> Visit the out of work bum for your chance to win one of 10 KNFB Reader >>>> or Nearby Explorer for IOS or android! >>>> http://www.theoutofworkbum.work >>>> Also check out my website for inclusion to the android platform for >>>> persons with sensery, physical or cognitive disabilities: >>>> http://www.inclusiveandroid.com >>>> >>>>> On Jun 25, 2016, at 6:39 PM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu >>>>> <mailto:mk...@ucla.edu>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hello Everyone, >>>>> >>>>> Here is an interesting article that I thought you'd like to read, the >>>>> URL to >>>>> which is located at the end of the text. >>>>> >>>>> NOTE: I edited out the 1 profane word that appears in the original >>>>> text so >>>>> as to bring this piece in compliance with our list policies. >>>>> >>>>> Enjoy, >>>>> >>>>> Mark >>>>> >>>>> Taking the headphone jack off phones is user-hostile and stupid, Have some >>>>> dignity >>>>> By Nilay Patel on June 21, 2016 >>>>> >>>>> Another day, another rumor that Apple is going to ditch the headphone jack >>>>> on the next iPhone in favor of sending out audio over Lightning. Or >>>>> another >>>>> phone beats Apple to the punch by ditching the headphone jack in favor of >>>>> passing out audio over USB-C. What exciting times for phones! We're so out >>>>> of ideas that actively making them shittier and more user-hostile is the >>>>> only innovation left. >>>>> >>>>> ditching the headphone jack on phones makes them worse >>>>> >>>>> Look, I know you're going to tell me that the traditional TRS >>>>> headphone jack >>>>> is a billion years old and prone to failure and that life is about >>>>> progress >>>>> and whatever else you need to repeat deliriously into your bed of old HTC >>>>> extUSB dongles and insane magnetic Palm adapters to sleep at night. >>>>> But just >>>>> face facts: ditching the headphone jack on phones makes them worse, in >>>>> extremely obvious ways. Let's count them! >>>>> >>>>> (Also, here is a list of reasons you might actually prefer Lightning >>>>> headphones, by my friend Vlad Savov, but let's be clear that my list >>>>> is the >>>>> superior one.) >>>>> >>>>> 1. Digital audio means DRM audio >>>>> >>>>> Oh look, I won this argument in one shot. For years the entertainment >>>>> industry has decried what they call the "analog loophole" of headphone >>>>> jacks, and now we're making their dreams come true by closing it. >>>>> >>>>> Winter is coming >>>>> >>>>> Restricting audio output to a purely digital connection means that music >>>>> publishers and streaming companies can start to insist on digital >>>>> copyright >>>>> enforcement mechanisms. We moved our video systems to HDMI and got HDCP, >>>>> remember? Copyright enforcement technology never stops piracy and always >>>>> hurts the people who most rely on legal fair use, but you can bet the >>>>> music >>>>> industry is going to start cracking down on "unauthorized" playback and >>>>> recording devices anyway. We deal with DRM when it comes to video >>>>> because we >>>>> generally don't rewatch and take TV shows and movies with us, but you will >>>>> rue the day Apple decided to make the iPhone another 1mm thinner the >>>>> instant >>>>> you get a "playback device not supported" message. Winter is coming. >>>>> >>>>> 2. Wireless headphones and speakers are fine, not great >>>>> >>>>> I am surrounded by wireless speaker systems. (I work at The Verge, after >>>>> all.) And while they mostly work fine, sometimes they crackle out and >>>>> fail. >>>>> It sucks to share a wireless speaker among multiple devices. Bluetooth >>>>> headphones require me to charge yet another battery. You haven't known >>>>> pain >>>>> until you've chosen to use Bluetooth audio in a car instead of an aux >>>>> jack. >>>>> >>>>> Bluetooth: next year it'll work great. >>>>> >>>>> 3. Dongles are stupid, especially when they require other dongles >>>>> >>>>> Shut up, you say. All of your complaints will be handled by this charming >>>>> $29 dongle that converts digital audio to a standard headphone jack! >>>>> >>>>> Have some dignity >>>>> >>>>> To which I will respond: here is a photo of Dieter Bohn and his beloved >>>>> single-port MacBook, living his fullest #donglelife during our WWDC >>>>> liveblog: >>>>> >>>>> Photo of macbook with a bunch of dongles >>>>> >>>>> Everything is going to be great when you want to use your expensive >>>>> headphones and charge your phone at the same time. You are going to love >>>>> everything about that situation. You are going to hold your 1mm thinner >>>>> phone and sincerely believe that the small reduction in thickness is >>>>> definitely worth carrying multiple additional dongles. >>>>> >>>>> Also, they're called [redacted] dongles. Let's not do this to ourselves. >>>>> Have some dignity. >>>>> >>>>> 4. Ditching a deeply established standard will disproportionately impact >>>>> accessibility >>>>> >>>>> The traditional headphone jack is a standard for a reason - it works. It >>>>> works so well that an entire ecosystem of other kinds of devices has built >>>>> up around it, and millions of people have access to compatible devices at >>>>> every conceivable price point. The headphone jack might be less good >>>>> on some >>>>> metrics than Lightning or USB-C audio, but it is spectacularly better than >>>>> anything else in the world at being accessible, enabling, open, and >>>>> democratizing. A change that will cost every iPhone user at least $29 >>>>> extra >>>>> for a dongle (or more for new headphones) is not a change designed to >>>>> benefit everyone. And you don't need to get rid of the headphone jack to >>>>> make a phone waterproof; plenty of waterproof phones have shipped with >>>>> headphone jacks already. >>>>> >>>>> 5. Making Android and iPhone headphones incompatible is so incredibly >>>>> arrogant and stupid there's not even explanatory text under this one >>>>> >>>>> 6. No one is asking for this >>>>> >>>>> Raise your hand if the thing you wanted most from your next phone was >>>>> either >>>>> fewer ports or more dongles. >>>>> >>>>> I didn't think so. You wanted better battery life, didn't you? >>>>> Everyone just >>>>> wants better battery life. >>>>> >>>>> Original article at: >>>>> http://www.theverge.com/circuitbreaker/2016/6/21/11991302/iphone-no-headphon >>>>> e-jack-user-hostile-stupid >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> The following information is important for all members of the Mac >>>>> Visionaries list. >>>>> >>>>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, >>>>> or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact >>>>> the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >>>>> >>>>> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is >>>>> Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com >>>>> >>>>> The archives for this list can be searched at: >>>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ >>>>> --- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>> an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> The following information is important for all members of the Mac >>>> Visionaries list. >>>> >>>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or >>>> if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the >>>> owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >>>> >>>> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is >>>> Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com >>>> >>>> The archives for this list can be searched at: >>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ >>>> --- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >>>> <mailto:macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. >>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>. >>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >>> -- >>> The following information is important for all members of the Mac >>> Visionaries list. >>> >>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if >>> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners >>> or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >>> >>> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara >>> Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com >>> >>> The archives for this list can be searched at: >>> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ >>> --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> <Ancient_Aliens.vcf> >> > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries > list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara > Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ > --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > <Ancient_Aliens.vcf> -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. 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