Hello

I did that and from what I can tell

it still isn't passing the key threw
the mac keyhoard sees it perfictly but the windows keybaord isn't
if other people who are able to get it to work what are they doing?
you are correct this should work but it isn't

On 4/5/2017 3:09 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote:
Hi,

So, when you connect the Windows keyboard to the laptop, then press VO-k on the 
laptop, it should invoke Keyboard Practice and announce whatever key is pressed 
on either keyboard.  Therefore, you should be able to press keys on the Windows 
keyboard, and they should be announced as well as any keys you might press on 
the laptop.  Regarding whether a Windows keyboard works on a Mac or not, that 
is not the case.  When you plug in any USB keyboard into the Mac other than an 
Apple one, a dialog should appear asking you to press the key just to the right 
of the left shift key, then the key just to the left of the right shift key.  
This is so that the Mac can identify the keyboard and map it accordingly.  If 
this didn't happen, someone may have attempted to skip this step at some point. 
 You should be able to go into System Prefs, under the Keyboard pane and make 
this happen again so that the keyboard is properly identified.  Other than 
that, my instructions at the beginning of this note should help to, at least, 
determine what keys are what on that keyboard.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Apr 5, 2017, at 15:36, The wolf <hank.smith...@gmail.com> wrote:

also vo k is working perfictly when I use her keyboard on her macbook air its 
the windows keyboard that we can't get to access the voice over features
On 4/5/2017 2:25 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote:
Hi,

If you have an Apple keyboard that you can connect at the same time, then you 
should be able to turn on keyboard help with the VO-k command.  Then start 
pressing keys on the Windows keyboard and see what is announced.  It's 
perfectly fine to have two keyboards connected simultaneously.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Apr 5, 2017, at 13:57, The wolf <hank.smith...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hello I tried the suggestions given and am still unable to get to the minue

I tried everything.

what else should I check?

clearly something isn't set up properly but have no idea what it could be.

thanks

Hank


On 4/5/2017 10:45 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote:
Hi,

I thought of that one, except if the regular VO-m isn't getting her up to the 
Menubar, then I question if VO-k will work given that the keys may be mixed up 
to begin with.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Apr 5, 2017, at 11:33, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote:

   I am jumping in at this point. There is a very easy test that she can do to 
verify key placement. Do a VO-k and Voiceover will announce any valid key or 
key combinations. Press escape to get out of this mode.

 From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
  "God for you is where you sweep away all the
  mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
  and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 4/5/2017 10:29 AM, The wolf wrote:
yes I am sure that she is using the right keys

I will be going over there some time today to try to fix this issue fore
her.
thanks
Hank

On 4/5/2017 2:05 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
Are you sure she is using the correct keys?

  Remember that on a windows keyboard the alt and ctrl keys are not
together,

  On the left hand side of the space bar you have from right to left,
  Ctrl, windows key or command key on a mac and then alt or option on
a mac,

  Your friend needs to hold down ctrl and alt / option and hit M to
bring up the menus,

  Give that a try,
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Subject: windows keyboard not passing some of the commands to voice over?

Hello
I am trying to help one of my friends on her mac.
she is using a windows bluetooth keyboard the command that allows you
to get in to a minue isn't working what so ever so fore example when I
open a app I can't get to the minues is there something that I need to
change?
we tried several keyboards external and bluetooth the command only
works when using the macbook keyboard.
surely there is a way to fix so folks can use non apple keyboards?
if any one could help me out with this it would be greatly appreciated.
thanks
Hank

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