Hi Simon, In those cases, the user wasn't specifically muting the startup chime. What they were doing was muting or decreasing the system volume which inadvertently affected the chime for you. The level of the system volume is stored in the nvRAM, or pRAM in oder models, along with some other system settings. So, if the level was at 0 or muted by the user prior to shutdown, the system would keep it at that level after restart. I'm wondering if the chime generator has been removed totally and that's why the previous software modification no longer works. There is potential though, if I think about it as messing with the nvRAM is actually doable, whereas firmware is extremely difficult.
Later... Tim Kilburn Apple Teacher (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition) Fort McMurray, AB Canada On Sep 1, 2018, at 22:34, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote: Hi Tim, Like donna I’d rather have the option to turn it on / off, and that doesn’t need to be a firmware feature surely? I know in previous devices it could be muted and unmuted. From: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> Sent: Sunday, 2 September 2018 1:16 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Mac OS Start up Chimes Hi, With it being a firmware item, it's not something that can be user specific. That is, settings within the firmware are not able to be modified by the enduser, just by Apple themselves. This is a security thing and is partially why the Mac is a more secure system than Windows. Don't get me wrong though, I'm not defending them as I would much prefer that the chime remain active, just need to make things clear. Later... Tim Kilburn Apple Teacher (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition) Fort McMurray, AB Canada On Sep 1, 2018, at 19:10, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote: Hey Simon, I get that sighted users may not want it, but it seems like they could preserve it as an option so that anyone, sighted or not, could make the decision for themselves. Cheers, Donna On Sep 1, 2018, at 5:45 PM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com <mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote: Hi Donna, Yes I agree, They should all to the users about what they are looking for rate then tell us what we want. The start up come is something that apple have had for years and years. I’d like to know why they stopped it. Simon Fogarty Dunedin, NZ Em: si...@fogarty.net <mailto:si...@fogarty.net>. On 1/09/2018, at 1:47 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote: You know, I don't know about anyone else, but I'm feeling frustrated with Apple. I was really hoping that the new iPhone models would include an option for a faster iPhone 8. Face ID sucks. It takes significantly longer to unlock your phone, and is much more finicky. I'm feeling resentful that Apple is trying to force me into a technology that I have tried, and do not like. I don't want Face ID. I don't need a ginormous screen. I sure as h*** don't need three cameras. I'm starting to wonder if my next phone will be a cheapy that makes calls and texts, and I do the rest from my Mac. I don't want some giant tech company to dictate how I will use technology. If Apple wants to continue to promote face recognition to the exclusion of more convenient technologies, that's their prerogative. But they should have kept a touch option available for those of us who tried face ID and know it sucks. And as for the new flick up for home? It sucks, too. Being able to quickly press a home button--be it actual or virtual--was much more efficient. My only power--small though it may be--is my purchasing power. And I am really wondering if my next phone will be a non-Apple product. I know this is only tangentially related to the start-up chime, but I feel it's all part of the same thing. Why not leave the chime enabled, or at least make it an option for those who want it? Why should Apple be deciding this for us? They seem to want to make an argument that they are not big-brotherish, but actually, they're no better than the rest. Donna On Aug 31, 2018, at 7:51 PM, lenron brown <lenro...@gmail.com <mailto:lenro...@gmail.com>> wrote: Stupid that they removed it. On 8/31/18, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com <mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote: Hi shaun, Yeah the line in the web page details that say: Feature removed by apple on latest firmware, doesn't work anymore.” Kind of says to me that this doesn’t work anymore. Oh well, other people can keep trying. From: 'Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> Sent: Friday, 31 August 2018 6:03 PM To: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> Subject: Re: Mac OS Start up Chimes There is no proof that this command works. I've heard from experts that it doesn't but go ahead and try it yourself. Regards, Shawn, Sent from Sophia, the MacBook Air Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs Skype username: bbstheblindrapper Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com <mailto:bbssh...@icloud.com><mailto:bbssh...@icloud.com <mailto:bbssh...@icloud.com>> On Aug 29, 2018, at 6:07 AM, Anders Holmberg <and...@pipkrokodil.se <mailto:and...@pipkrokodil.se><mailto:and...@pipkrokodil.se <mailto:and...@pipkrokodil.se>>> wrote: Hi! Found this link. https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/tutorial-disable-auto-boot-on-new-macbook-pros.2011044/ <https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/tutorial-disable-auto-boot-on-new-macbook-pros.2011044/> Try that and see if it helps. /A 29 aug. 2018 kl. 11:32 skrev Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com<mailto:si...@blinky-net.com <mailto:si...@blinky-net.com%3cmailto:si...@blinky-net.com>>>: Hi Listers Ok so I'm kind of getting hacked off with the fact my new work Mac Book Pro doesn't do the start up chimes that Apple / mac computers have done since long before I started using Mac products. 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