That makes sense, Tim. Cheers, donna
> On Sep 1, 2018, at 8:28 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries > <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote: > > Hi, > > Not if you want the chime in the same time frame. I've seen people come up > with startup scripts that make noise, but it's later on in the startup > process. Thus, you would not be able to use it as an indicator of when to > hold down special keys. Just for clarification purposes, the firmware is > accessed right away after power up or restart, whereas any user specific > items are accessed after the OS begins loading from the drive. > > Later... > > Tim Kilburn > Apple Teacher > (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition) > Fort McMurray, AB Canada > > On Sep 1, 2018, at 19:19, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries > <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> > wrote: > > So can they build it in as something other than a firmware setting? I take > your point, but just asking. > Cheers, > Donna > >> On Sep 1, 2018, at 8:15 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries >> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> >> wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> With it being a firmware item, it's not something that can be user specific. >> That is, settings within the firmware are not able to be modified by the >> enduser, just by Apple themselves. This is a security thing and is >> partially why the Mac is a more secure system than Windows. Don't get me >> wrong though, I'm not defending them as I would much prefer that the chime >> remain active, just need to make things clear. >> >> Later... >> >> Tim Kilburn >> Apple Teacher >> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition) >> Fort McMurray, AB Canada >> >> On Sep 1, 2018, at 19:10, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries >> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> >> wrote: >> >> Hey Simon, >> >> I get that sighted users may not want it, but it seems like they could >> preserve it as an option so that anyone, sighted or not, could make the >> decision for themselves. >> Cheers, >> Donna >> >>> On Sep 1, 2018, at 5:45 PM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com >>> <mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote: >>> >>> Hi Donna, >>> Yes I agree, >>> >>> They should all to the users about what they are looking for rate then tell >>> us what we want. >>> The start up come is something that apple have had for years and years. I’d >>> like to know why they stopped it. >>> >>> >>> Simon Fogarty >>> Dunedin, NZ >>> >>> Em: si...@fogarty.net <mailto:si...@fogarty.net>. >>> >>>> On 1/09/2018, at 1:47 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries >>>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> You know, I don't know about anyone else, but I'm feeling frustrated with >>>> Apple. I was really hoping that the new iPhone models would include an >>>> option for a faster iPhone 8. Face ID sucks. It takes significantly >>>> longer to unlock your phone, and is much more finicky. I'm feeling >>>> resentful that Apple is trying to force me into a technology that I have >>>> tried, and do not like. I don't want Face ID. I don't need a ginormous >>>> screen. I sure as h*** don't need three cameras. I'm starting to wonder >>>> if my next phone will be a cheapy that makes calls and texts, and I do the >>>> rest from my Mac. I don't want some giant tech company to dictate how I >>>> will use technology. If Apple wants to continue to promote face >>>> recognition to the exclusion of more convenient technologies, that's their >>>> prerogative. But they should have kept a touch option available for those >>>> of us who tried face ID and know it sucks. And as for the new flick up >>>> for home? It sucks, too. Being able to quickly press a home button--be >>>> it actual or virtual--was much more efficient. My only power--small >>>> though it may be--is my purchasing power. And I am really wondering if my >>>> next phone will be a non-Apple product. >>>> >>>> I know this is only tangentially related to the start-up chime, but I feel >>>> it's all part of the same thing. Why not leave the chime enabled, or at >>>> least make it an option for those who want it? Why should Apple be >>>> deciding this for us? They seem to want to make an argument that they are >>>> not big-brotherish, but actually, they're no better than the rest. >>>> Donna >>>> >>>>> On Aug 31, 2018, at 7:51 PM, lenron brown <lenro...@gmail.com >>>>> <mailto:lenro...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Stupid that they removed it. >>>>> >>>>>> On 8/31/18, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com >>>>>> <mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote: >>>>>> Hi shaun, >>>>>> >>>>>> Yeah the line in the web page details that say: >>>>>> Feature removed by apple on latest firmware, doesn't work anymore.” >>>>>> Kind of says to me that this doesn’t work anymore. >>>>>> >>>>>> Oh well, other people can keep trying. >>>>>> >>>>>> From: 'Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries >>>>>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> >>>>>> Sent: Friday, 31 August 2018 6:03 PM >>>>>> To: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> >>>>>> Subject: Re: Mac OS Start up Chimes >>>>>> >>>>>> There is no proof that this command works. I've heard from experts that >>>>>> it >>>>>> doesn't but go ahead and try it yourself. >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards, >>>>>> Shawn, >>>>>> Sent from Sophia, the MacBook Air >>>>>> >>>>>> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk >>>>>> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs >>>>>> Skype username: bbstheblindrapper >>>>>> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com >>>>>> <mailto:bbssh...@icloud.com><mailto:bbssh...@icloud.com >>>>>> <mailto:bbssh...@icloud.com>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Aug 29, 2018, at 6:07 AM, Anders Holmberg >>>>>> <and...@pipkrokodil.se >>>>>> <mailto:and...@pipkrokodil.se><mailto:and...@pipkrokodil.se >>>>>> <mailto:and...@pipkrokodil.se>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi! >>>>>> Found this link. >>>>>> https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/tutorial-disable-auto-boot-on-new-macbook-pros.2011044/ >>>>>> >>>>>> <https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/tutorial-disable-auto-boot-on-new-macbook-pros.2011044/> >>>>>> Try that and see if it helps. >>>>>> /A >>>>>> >>>>>> 29 aug. 2018 kl. 11:32 skrev Simon Fogarty >>>>>> <si...@blinky-net.com >>>>>> <mailto:si...@blinky-net.com><mailto:si...@blinky-net.com >>>>>> <mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>>>: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi Listers >>>>>> >>>>>> Ok so I'm kind of getting hacked off with the fact my new work Mac Book >>>>>> Pro >>>>>> doesn't do the start up chimes that Apple / mac computers have done since >>>>>> long before I started using Mac products. >>>>>> >>>>>> I've got VO starting at log in but when for some reason I need to force >>>>>> restart for some unknown reason, if I use the power button to turn off / >>>>>> on >>>>>> the machine I never know when it's restarting until it starts talking to >>>>>> me, >>>>>> If I'm lucky enough for vo to still be talking.I know this effects us >>>>>> all, >>>>>> But have we ever or has anyone ever contacted Apple accessibility to >>>>>> explain >>>>>> that this chime at start up would be really useful to us the sight >>>>>> impaired >>>>>> to know when / if our machines are starting up >>>>>> Or do in my case I just keep thinking the batteries dead and put it on >>>>>> mains >>>>>> power when I don't need to. >>>>>> >>>>>> Any thoughts appreciated. >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards >>>>>> >>>>>> Slightly P'd off mac book pro user. >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> The following information is important for all members of the Mac >>>>>> Visionaries list. >>>>>> >>>>>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or >>>>>> if >>>>>> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the >>>>>> owners or >>>>>> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >>>>>> >>>>>> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. 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