Hi, Can sighted users use just the arrow keys with the shift keys to highlight text?
Thanks TC James, Lyn, Nash & Twinny On 11 Feb 2010, at 13:58, Ricardo Walker wrote: > Hello, > > I've been a Mac user for almost 2 years, and I personally don't find the web > browsing experience on my Mac using Safari with voiceover to be on par with > that of internet explorer and Jaws. For example, Look at the steps you > explained to highlight and copy text "If you interact with text, use > VO-shift-return, you can initiate marking of text and use VO-cursor keys to > navigate and mark that text, then use VO-shift-return to stop marking the > text. FInally command-c will copy that text for you to paste where you > choose. You can also interact with text and use command-a to highlight all > text you can then copy..." On I.E. you would just use shift and the arrows > or some function of navigation commonly used throughout the Operating system. > In Snow Leopard one should be able to use the arrows by them selves to > navigate a web page and with shift to select. This is not the case most of > the time. The folks didn't include this functionality into snow leopard by > accident or just to appease windows converts in my opinion. They realized > that the previous method was just a pain, not to mention labor intensive in > regards to the task actually trying to be accomplished. I use Dom mode and > sometimes voiceover indeed skips over chunks of information. I am not saying > that Safari with Voiceover isn't serviceable but, by no means in my opinion > is it as dependable as I.E. with Jaws. And this is coming from someone who > Uses their Mac as their primary computer. > On Feb 11, 2010, at 7:48 AM, Scott Howell wrote: > >> I think you need to take some additional time to learn how best to use >> Safari with VOiceOver. I've been using the Mac for five years now and >> although like any browser and screen reader, Safari and VO has issues, but >> certainly not to the degree you seem to be having. Reading line by line is >> no problem at all and copying information to the clipboard is again, no >> problem. There is lots of information on how to accomplish both tasks and >> perhaps a little research on your part will help. I'll give you a tip. If >> you interact with text, use VO-shift-return, you can initiate marking of >> text and use VO-cursor keys to navigate and mark that text, then use >> VO-shift-return to stop marking the text. FInally command-c will copy that >> text for you to paste where you choose. You can also interact with text and >> use command-a to highlight all text you can then copy. You coming from >> windows and using IE may find DOM mode more like your browsing experience >> under windows using a windows-based screen reader. If your using Groups >> mode, you are going to find the navigation of the page not to be linear as >> is provided by DOM mode. Groups mode gives a more accurate representation >> of how the page is laid out unlike DOM mode. >> Once you have used Safari a while, I think you will find it will meet your >> needs just fine. I am not so sure that even if Firefox is made accessible, >> you will find the browsing experience significantly different. I think what >> you will find is some differences in browsing experience as far as how some >> sites behave, but assuming Mozilla leverages the accessibility hooks of VO, >> the navigation will likely be quite similar. >> >> On Feb 11, 2010, at 6:59 AM, Lynn Schneider wrote: >> >>> Oh I would so love to have an alternative to Safari! I'm a fairly recent >>> switcher and I don't miss Windows at all except that I totally and >>> absolutely miss the great accessibility I had with IE. I hate the fact >>> that I can't read line by line or copy web page text to the clipboard and >>> he disturbing thing with VO and >>> Safari is that I find that whole parts of pages are not read at all. I >>> think Safari is the app I most dislike on the Mac. Everything else about >>> the Mac is wonderful. >>> On Feb 10, 2010, at 1:02 PM, Chris Blouch wrote: >>> >>>> Looking forward to trying out Firefox with VO working someday. FF has >>>> really good ARIA support so it would be nice to have a browser on the Mac >>>> that works well with this standard. Safari currently is weak. >>>> >>>> CB >>>> >>>> E.J. 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