Hi Aman, just let me echo your sentiments to Chris back at ya! <smile> nice to see you here!
You asked about context, and its importance; Let me just comment that there have been many situations on the web in particular, where context itself has greatly assisted me. In particular, this has helped me many times in filling out forms. If controls or questions aren't clear, or an edit field per se, isn't labeled quite right, just its positional context can explain it to me. So for myself, this can be a great comfort in understanding and working with a document. Does this make sense? Thanks for reading and once again, nice to have you with us!… Smiles, Cara :) --- View my Online Portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn Follow me on Twitter! https://twitter.com/ModelCara On Feb 11, 2010, at 6:58 AM, Aman Singer wrote: Hi, CDH. It is very good to see you here. As usual, one of your messages has gotten me to think. You say: Now, I use Macintosh with Safari. The Windows way of doing things tried to emulate a word processor or some other similar text manipulation application with which a user would already be familiar. This is good in the sense that the learning curve is not too steep but leaves out all of the contextual information a sighted user would have resulting from the juxtaposition of objects in the page's layout. I agree with the fact that contextual information is usually left out in what I might describe, after Jaws, Wineyes, and SA, as the standard method of browsing on Windows. However, I'm a bit confused as to why this matters. Maybe I'm missing the glaringly obvious, but why would the contextual information interest me on most web pages? By contextual information, I assume you mean the placement of information on the page in relation to other aspects of the page. Maybe this is really vital to sighted users, and maybe I'd love it if I had it, but as it stands, I would put access to contextual information rather low on the list of priorities. The whole point of any web page, at least for me, is to use the information on that page, and any services the page offers, easily and quickly. I can see certain pages where the information is important, but for the vast majority of pages, where things are put, what they look like, etc, doesn't fill me with curiosity. How does contextual information, for a blind user, aid in this? Feel free to point me to an article explaining this if there is one. Thanks. Aman On 2/11/10, Chris Hofstader <c...@hofstader.com> wrote: > I'm in touch with both Willy and Mike and I'll pass on your regards. > On Feb 11, 2010, at 9:17 AM, James & Nash wrote: > >> I would love to help, but I am only just getting into programming. BTW, I >> tried to get in touch with Will Walker to pass on how sorry I was >> regarding his job loss and to find out what the current state of Orca was >> on Linux. This is indeed very disturbing and more than a little annoying. >> >> Just in case anyone else is trying to get hold of him at his Sun address, >> it no longer exists. >> >> TC >> James, Lyn, Nash & Twinny >> On 11 Feb 2010, at 12:53, Chris Hofstader wrote: >> >>> With last year's lay offs at IBM and last week's lay offs at Sun, the >>> future of large scale accessibility projects in free/open source software >>> looks pretty disorganized at the moment. Marco (with whom I used to work >>> at Freedom Scientific) is really dedicated but the overwhelmingly large >>> Windows market share leads the understaffed Mozilla to pretty much focus >>> on Windows accessibility with proprietary screen access tools like JAWS >>> and Window-Eyes. >>> >>> While this is unfortunate, it does reach the majority of users so, >>> without Apple or some other big organization to underwrite an >>> accessibility effort, it's all up to volunteers. I would think that orca >>> itself would require at least one full time paid staff member and we >>> ain't got the cash for a part timer in a lower cost environment like >>> China. >>> >>> Project GNU (www.gnu.org) is kicking off its first ever accessibility >>> effort. This project has zero money and only me to look after it in my >>> spare time. We will, of course, be focussing on GNU/Linux distros and I >>> can't say that I know enough about Apple accessibility API to know how >>> similar it is to what I think is iAccessible2 at the heart of Firefox >>> access on Windows. I do not know what it uses on GNOME but I would assume >>> it is the GNOME accessibility API. >>> >>> The bad economy in the US and EU is killing large scale free software >>> efforts. We're back to mostly volunteers and scholars working randomly on >>> their favorite issues. I'm going to try to add some order to all of this >>> but it will be a cat herding effort and there are a lot of cats involved. >>> >>> cdh >>> >>> Happy Hacking, >>> cdh >>> >>> On Feb 10, 2010, at 1:02 PM, Chris Blouch wrote: >>> >>>> Looking forward to trying out Firefox with VO working someday. FF has >>>> really good ARIA support so it would be nice to have a browser on the >>>> Mac that works well with this standard. Safari currently is weak. >>>> >>>> CB >>>> >>>> E.J. Zufelt wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Good morning, >>>>> >>>>> This morning I posted a new blog article on my site: First Glance at >>>>> Firefox Accessibility on OS X Snow Leopard, which can be accessed at >>>>> http://tinyurl.com/ygkfqoj >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Thanks,Everett >>>>> >>>>> Follow me on Twitter >>>>> http://twitter.com/ezufelt >>>>> >>>>> View my LinkedIn Profile >>>>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/ezufelt >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. 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