Hi Mary,  Have you tried cutting out a bunch of those intensive keys by 
pressing control option semicolon to lock the vo keys?  This is a minor 
inconvenience but usefull for prolonged periods of browsing.

Best,

erik burggraaf
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On 2010-02-11, at 7:23 PM, Mary Otten wrote:

> Hi Scott,
> I'm not Linda, but I had to respond to your note to her re the differences 
> between moving around on a page among elements with Window Eyes or Jaws and 
> Voice Over. You said that you didn't see much difference between pressing h 
> by itself or pressing 3 additional keys in addition to h to move among 
> headers. And you say this is easily done with one hand? You must have amazing 
> hands. I can no way do that. I've been touch typing for decades. It gets even 
> more interesting when you add the shift into the mix to go up the page in 
> reverse order. Doable? yes? As easy as pressing one key? Not by a long shot. 
> Are there other benefits, such as not having to go in and out of forms mode? 
> for sure. The added functionality for VO on the web in Snow Leopard is one of 
> the main reasons I decided to try a Mac. I really appreciate the numpad 
> commander, although learning it was not as intuitive as learning mnemonics on 
> the regular keyboard. In no way is the rotor as efficient for me as having 
> that array of single letter keystrokes that let me move among various web 
> elements at will. Another thing I hope can be implemented in the future is a 
> means of letting focus return to where it was when you return back to a 
> previously visited page. That's a big time saver with the Windows screen 
> readers, although it  doesn't always work. Its nonexistent with vo. I like 
> the fact that pages seem to load faster with Safari than they do with IE and 
> a screen reader. Over all, for me, the Windows experience is still more 
> efficient. But there are pluses with the Mac, and I'm hoping it will keep 
> improving. Group mode is something I have tried and dropped. I just never 
> found a page where it seemed to offer any advantage, since I don't really 
> care how the page is laid out. I want info and where it is on the page just 
> doesn't seem very important to me, so long as I can get to it efficiently. 
> Maybe I don't go to the right sites where group mode's benefits are displayed 
> to best advantage.
> 
> Mary
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