Hi all,

This may be a dumb question, but is there a difference between web spots and 
sweet spots?
TIA,
Donna
On Feb 12, 2010, at 6:00 AM, Scott Howell wrote:

> I would also point out that if you use the Web Spot feature, it is quite 
> accurate indeed. I have a sweet spot set for a number of locations on the 
> banking website I use and it surely is the greatest thing for making 
> navigation of a site efficient. I have it setup so as soon as the page loads, 
> I'm on the location to enter my login info. Once I'm logged in, I am 
> immediately on the list of accounts and on the balance information. If folks 
> have not really explored the possibilities of Web/sweet spots, do yourself a 
> favor and give them a try, they are very useful.
> On Feb 11, 2010, at 9:32 PM, Barry Hadder wrote:
> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> If I may, I would like to point out that all navigation through elements on 
>> a web page can be done with one hand and you don't need to remember a lot of 
>> keys.  When in dom. mode, press the left and right arrows at the same time 
>> to enter quick nav mode.  Now, press the left-up or right-up to cycle 
>> through the navigation items in the roter.  Then, navigate through the 
>> chosen element with the up or down keys.
>> 
>> As far as returning to the prior place in a web page, I have not found it to 
>> be non existent.  There are many times that it works, although, I would like 
>> to see it work more consistently.  I haven't found any screen reader do it 
>> very well.
>> 
>> I would also like to say that I never found any of the vo key strokes to be 
>> difficult and I never understood why some people seemed to have such a 
>> hang-up with them.  There are some circumstances where one might need to 
>> perform a task with only one hand, and I think that it was some what of a 
>> legitimate concern earlier on.  As I pointed out however, that issue has 
>> been addressed with quick nav.
>> 
>> 
>> On Feb 11, 2010, at 6:23 PM, Mary Otten wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Scott,
>>> I'm not Linda, but I had to respond to your note to her re the differences 
>>> between moving around on a page among elements with Window Eyes or Jaws and 
>>> Voice Over. You said that you didn't see much difference between pressing h 
>>> by itself or pressing 3 additional keys in addition to h to move among 
>>> headers. And you say this is easily done with one hand? You must have 
>>> amazing hands. I can no way do that. I've been touch typing for decades. It 
>>> gets even more interesting when you add the shift into the mix to go up the 
>>> page in reverse order. Doable? yes? As easy as pressing one key? Not by a 
>>> long shot. Are there other benefits, such as not having to go in and out of 
>>> forms mode? for sure. The added functionality for VO on the web in Snow 
>>> Leopard is one of the main reasons I decided to try a Mac. I really 
>>> appreciate the numpad commander, although learning it was not as intuitive 
>>> as learning mnemonics on the regular keyboard. In no way is the rotor as 
>>> efficient for me as having that array of single letter keystrokes that let 
>>> me move among various web elements at will. Another thing I hope can be 
>>> implemented in the future is a means of letting focus return to where it 
>>> was when you return back to a previously visited page. That's a big time 
>>> saver with the Windows screen readers, although it  doesn't always work. 
>>> Its nonexistent with vo. I like the fact that pages seem to load faster 
>>> with Safari than they do with IE and a screen reader. Over all, for me, the 
>>> Windows experience is still more efficient. But there are pluses with the 
>>> Mac, and I'm hoping it will keep improving. Group mode is something I have 
>>> tried and dropped. I just never found a page where it seemed to offer any 
>>> advantage, since I don't really care how the page is laid out. I want info 
>>> and where it is on the page just doesn't seem very important to me, so long 
>>> as I can get to it efficiently. Maybe I don't go to the right sites where 
>>> group mode's benefits are displayed to best advantage.
>>> 
>>> Mary
>>> 
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