Hi, Upon more testing, I did lose VO speech another time yesterday. I was using my Headphones while making a call, and used the button on the headphones to end the call. This caused me to lose VO speech and sounds totally. Haptics were still working, but no sound at all. I did make another call with my headphones on, but did a two-finger double-tap to end the call this time. I did not lose sound in this case. This leads me to believe, at least so far, that it has something to do with how VO is routing sound. I've not experienced the problem at all when I just use my iPhone normally without headphones, but twice now with headphones on. It seems t, somehow the iPhone gets confused with where the sound is to be routed, and thus shuts the entire sound off. I might need to do some more testing to confirm all these findings, but might be getting somewhere.
Just an FYI. Later... Tim Kilburn Apple Teacher (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition) Jamf Certified Associate Fort McMurray, AB Canada On Oct 7, 2019, at 07:37, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote: Hi, these sorts of problems are quite difficult to nail down due to the inconsistency of its presentation. As I've mentioned, I've only experienced this problem once with the phone app, and total loss of speech nowhere else. Sometimes, speech is lost for a second or so after I press the side button to unlock my iPhone, but a swipe left/right brings it back, so, I don't believe that requires a restart. There are a lot of variables that might be causing the issues for the people that are experiencing this, such as background apps that are running, certain settings that one user has vs another, version of the iPhone etc. Numerous hard resets also can corrupt a system, so, in some cases, a restore will mostly fix things. Some questions that might help are: • Does it lose speech at the Lock screen or elsewhere? • Does it lose speech when you're in a specific app? • Is your iPhone in a specific app when you unlock it, or is it on the Home screen? • do you have Background App Refresh enabled? • do you have an external device connected such as a Braille device or external bluetooth speaker? Later... Tim Kilburn Apple Teacher (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition) Jamf Certified Associate Fort McMurray, AB Canada On Oct 7, 2019, at 05:40, Loy Green <loyrg2...@gmail.com <mailto:loyrg2...@gmail.com>> wrote: What do you mean? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: João de Sousa e Silva <mailto:joao65...@gmail.com> > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > Sent: Monday, October 7, 2019 7:38 AM > Subject: Re: sound loss in iOS 13.1.2 > > try to call to it. Worked with me. > > Às 12:31 de 07/10/2019, Loy Green escreveu: >> I went through these power cycles and still my phone went silent later in >> the day. >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Jürgen Fleger <mailto:mailinglis...@fleger.net> >>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >>> Sent: Sunday, October 6, 2019 11:49 PM >>> Subject: Re: sound loss in iOS 13.1.2 >>> >>>> Wow, thanks for this. What an annoying issue! >>> >>> Yesterday it happened to my iPhone 11 Pro. As I tried to switch it off and >>> on again somehow the emergency call became activated and all my emergency >>> contacts got a message. I didn't notice. So you can imagine what a mess. >>> Actually Apple should have warned VO users about this massiv bug. >>> >>> Jürgen >>>> >>>> Von meinem iPhone gesendet >>>> >>>> Am 07.10.2019 um 05:12 schrieb Simon A Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> >>>> <mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>: >>>> >>>> >>>> It means to power the phone off then on, >>>> >>>> As for pin code through itunes >>>> >>>> Yes when you plug the phone in to your computer it should prompt you for >>>> the phone to be unlocked which you have to do on the phone not in itunes, >>>> >>>> Once the phone is unlocked itunes will give you what you require. >>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of João de Sousa e Silva >>>> Sent: Monday, 7 October 2019 3:59 PM >>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>; Tim Morris <mrga...@gmail.com> >>>> <mailto:mrga...@gmail.com> >>>> Subject: Re: sound loss in iOS 13.1.2 >>>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> Many thanks. What do you mean when you say “Power cycle”? how to Power >>>> cycle the phone through iTunes, for example? I am blind, so connected it >>>> to iTunes would need the passcode, that I cannot insert without sound. Did >>>> they really know about this before releasing the OS? Shenanigans… >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> João >>>> >>>> Às 23:36 de 06/10/2019, Tim Morris escreveu: >>>> Talked to Apple and they stated to try this. >>>> 1. Power cycle the phone. >>>> 2. Power cycle the phone in charging adapter. >>>> 3. Power cycle the phone through iTunes. >>>> >>>> Now any or all of them should work, and they knew about it before release. >>>> On Oct 6, 2019, at 3:24 PM, Petrus Tuerlings <petrus.t...@gmail.com> >>>> <mailto:petrus.t...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Touch wood, I haven’t had any issues with voiceover on the IOS 13 >>>> releases yet. But at lest they are working on it. >>>> >>>> >>>> On 7/10/2019, at 08:19, Loy Green <loyrg2...@gmail.com> >>>> <mailto:loyrg2...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> My phone went totally silent today. I was not using for a while and when I >>>> picked it up to use , there was no sound, no VO or Hapticks. I tried to >>>> turn off VO with triple tap and then triple to turn back on, but still no >>>> sound. had to power off and back on then everything was back to normal. >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries >>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >>>> Sent: Sunday, October 6, 2019 12:31 PM >>>> Subject: Re: sound loss in iOS 13.1.2 >>>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> Sounds like there'll need to be some console log reports so that things >>>> can be figured out. If VO speech is stopping due to some sort of >>>> conflict, then they'll need to figure out what processes are conflicting >>>> that renders VO speech inoperable. If it is more widespread than just to >>>> do with the phone app, then workarounds aren't the fix, it will need to be >>>> a bug fix for sure. >>>> >>>> Later... >>>> >>>> >>>> Tim Kilburn >>>> Apple Teacher >>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition) >>>> Jamf Certified Associate >>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada >>>> >>>> On Oct 6, 2019, at 08:58, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> >>>> <mailto:motte...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> I only have 13.1.2 on an older phone, this one, a 7+. I finally had the >>>> loss of sound bug yesterday, and it wasn’t from a phone call. I was >>>> reading an article in an RSS news reader. I open Safari, using the open in >>>> Safari option in my news reader, and things went from being sort of draggy >>>> and slow in the news reader to absolute silence in Safari. So this is >>>> either two bugs, or it’s not related just calls, and certainly not related >>>> to the screen going to sleep in my case. >>>> >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> >>>> On Oct 6, 2019, at 7:54 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries >>>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> I've only had this happen once. A full DFU is not required at all, and if >>>> anyone claims that it is necessary, they're wrong. A simple restart will >>>> bring things back to normal. If you haptic feedback on, then it is easier >>>> than with it off. While haptic feedback is on, press the down volume and >>>> the side button in for a few seconds until you feel the haptic feedback. >>>> This has brought up the shutdown dialog. Be careful here, as you could >>>> accidentally call emergency services if you have that feature enabled. >>>> What you do is to flick left until the haptic feedback feels like you're >>>> hitting the left wall. When you're at this point, you are on the "Power >>>> Down" button, so double-tap and your iPhone will turn itself off. Wait >>>> about a minute between double-tapping to shutdown, and holding the side >>>> button to turn the iPhone back on. Once it restarts fully, VO will be >>>> working normally again. >>>> >>>> If VO is off, then flicking left will not result in the haptic feedback >>>> hitting the left wall. So, you'd then need to press the side button three >>>> times to turn VO on, then follow the steps above to turn the iPhone off >>>> and back on. I haven't totally figured out what the trigger is that >>>> causes this to happen, but I believe it has something to do with the >>>> screen going to sleep while on the call. If it's a shorter call where the >>>> screen does not put itself to sleep, then this does not usually happen. >>>> At least in my situation, that's been the case. >>>> >>>> Later... >>>> >>>> >>>> Tim Kilburn >>>> Apple Teacher >>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition) >>>> Jamf Certified Associate >>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada >>>> >>>> On Oct 5, 2019, at 22:49, João de Sousa e Silva <joao65...@gmail.com> >>>> <mailto:joao65...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> I forgot to mention that I did that, triple click twice, but without >>>> results. Also, was using the Find Me, the phone was there, and it was even >>>> saying that it was ringing, after I requested it. Again, no sound! >>>> >>>> >>>> How to report such a problem to Apple? Sometimes I feel like at the call >>>> centre thy are trying more to say that it is normal than trying to >>>> understand the issue. Also, they will ask for a full restore with DFU >>>> mode… I can see this happening… >>>> >>>> Às 21:06 de 05/10/2019, Loy Green escreveu: >>>> I experienced this once my self. The hapticks were sounding but no voice >>>> over. I triple click the to turn off VO and triple clicked again and VO >>>> came back. >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: Tim Morris >>>> To:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>> <mailto:To:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >>>> Sent: Saturday, October 5, 2019 3:07 PM >>>> Subject: Re: sound loss in iOS 13.1.2 >>>> >>>> Your not going crazy mine has done it a few times also. Along with screens >>>> getting very touchy and jumping all over the screen. >>>> On Oct 5, 2019, at 3:51 AM, João de Sousa e Silva <joao65...@gmail.com> >>>> <mailto:joao65...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi all, >>>> >>>> >>>> With iOS 13.1.2 running in an iPhone 8 I saw myself without sound already >>>> twice. The haptic feedback was working but no sound at all. >>>> After plugging it to my Mac and press more-or-less randomly at the screen, >>>> it was vibrating, indicating that the passcode was wrong. >>>> From other phone I called to it and, again, more-or-less randomly I >>>> managed to answer the call and realized that it was working. Right after >>>> the sound returned to the whole system. >>>> >>>> >>>> Today a similar situation happened: >>>> I was listening a podcast while a phone call arrived at other synchronized >>>> iPhone. I answered it at the iPhone 8. After hanging up the sound was >>>> gone. I call from another phone to the iPhone 8. Although I couldn’t >>>> answer the call, after some seconds the sound returned, and the podcast >>>> restarted at the point that it was before I got the original phone call to >>>> the other synchronised iPhone. >>>> >>>> >>>> Anyone with a similar experience? >>>> >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> João >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> The following information is important for all members of the Mac >>>> Visionaries list. >>>> >>>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or >>>> if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the >>>> owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >>>> >>>> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. 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