Considering this person has one mailbox and therefore no favorites, it
doesn't matter.
On 1/12/2021 7:42 PM, John Panarese wrote:
The sliders help you hide things as well. Keep in mind, though,
hiding everything is not necessarily a good thing. The mailbox list
and Favorites bar are very useful.
Take Care
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On Jan 12, 2021, at 7:14 PM, Steve Matzura <numb...@noisynotes.com
<mailto:numb...@noisynotes.com>> wrote:
Apparently it's more than just hiding things. The vertical and
horizontal sliders have to be positioned just right, or the
Option-Up/Down Arrow keys don't work right. The horizontal position
has to be at 100%, so saith a friend of mine who's quite Mac-savvy.
On 1/12/2021 4:44 PM, John Panarese wrote:
You can hide some of the items from the view menu of Mail. I’m not
sure exactly how much can be done, but it’s a good place to start.
Take Care
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On Jan 12, 2021, at 4:02 PM, Steve Matzura <numb...@noisynotes.com
<mailto:numb...@noisynotes.com>> wrote:
I'm also interested in eliminating screen clutter for a partially
sighted user, but yes, the shortcut keys are definitely the way to
go for Mac Mail. For instance, while we don't care whether
bookmarks are shown or not in Safari, they do take up some screen
real-estate for sighted users. Eliminating that panel improved a
partially-sighted user's use of Safari greatly when I explained how
to get rid of that ever-growing list and give them back some screen
space. Same with Mail. If I knew what sidebars and such could be
closed for a partially sighted user to get more on their screen,
I'd recommend it.
On 1/12/2021 1:16 PM, John Panarese wrote:
Yes, this is correct. Also, one doesn’t need to concern
themselves with the various bars and such. It’s like any Windows
mail client. You only need to navigate the mailboxes and the
message table, and this is done with simple keyboard commands.
Again, like any screen reader, if you know the shortcuts, you can
avoid getting lost or dealing with areas of the screen that are
not important.
Take Care
John D. Panarese
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Mac for the Blind
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Email, j...@macfortheblind.com <mailto:j...@macfortheblind.com>
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On Jan 12, 2021, at 1:12 PM, Greg Wocher <gtwoc...@gmail.com
<mailto:gtwoc...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hello,
I use command plus option plus up or down arrows to move to the
top or bottom of the list of messages. I find that option plus
the arrow keys does not work.
Greg Wocher
On Jan 12, 2021, at 10:37 AM, Steve Matzura
<numb...@noisynotes.com <mailto:numb...@noisynotes.com>> wrote:
I'm not a major Mac user. In particular, I don't use Safari or
Mail. I prefer the user experience provided by other operating
systems and screenreaders. However, last night I had to work on
someone's Mac that was having email problems. I ironed out the
problems, but along the way, discovered that Mail was not set up
optimally for use with VoiceOver. Specifically, I couldn't use
Option-Up/Down Arrow keys to get to the top and bottom of the
messages table, and there are a lot of sidebars and other views
that are open which to me seem needless and cluttery. I look at
this AppleVis article
<https://www.applevis.com/guides/macs-mail-app-explained> which
was helpful in certain ways but did not address any of the
things mentioned above despite it having been written in 2014
and updated just last week. Can someone amplify or further
explain some of these things? In particular, moving through the
messages table a page at a time or getting to the top/bottom of
said table would be quite helpful, as one such table in one
mailbox folder has over 2000 messages in it.
Thanks in advance.
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