Keep in mind that my calculations does not include my country’s taxes in calculating the number of months required to get a new device whether it is an iPhone or MBP. That is a different story and not everyone knows a person to get him/her a laptop from low tax country.
Regards, Mohamed E. Fayed > On 28 Oct 2021, at 7:34 AM, Muhammad Fayed <m10fa...@gmail.com> wrote: > > The key factor is the budget. > > I live in Egypt. The exchange rate is 1USD to 16EGP or so. The salaries here > are not high. There are a lot of taxes. Actually, I requested from someone to > get me my iPhone 10s when it came out. Getting it from USA New York State > costed me 6K EGP less money. If I decided to get it from tax free state I > would have spent less. 6K EGP may be the entire salary of a month and not > what you save during that month. If we talk about savings, you can save > around 1K EGP if you properly manage your spends. So, getting a new device > whether it is a laptop is prohibitively expensive. So, it is either a Mac or > Windows machine. You can find the exact calculations of getting iPhone 10s at > the end of this email. > > According to my specific case, I prefer Mac because of easiness of use and it > has more benefits to my work and productivity than windows. Since Windows > free license is enough to me, it is better to get a single machine that runs > both Operating Systems Mac and windows. It is not the best, but my budget > does not allow me to get more. > > The blind community may have such issues across the globe for different > reasons, so it is better in the specific cases of laptop users, to have a > single machine for both. Smartphones are essential now for almost everyone, > but laptops are not. > > ======== > iPhone 10s calculations: > I bought iPhone 10s of 256GB storage. That costed without taxes $1149. > After taxes in New York it costed $1251 > With exchange rate: $1251 * 16 = 20016 EGP # Note: I don’t remember the > exact exchange rate back then, but I remember the number was 22000 EGP or so. > The cost of the exact same iPhone in Egypt Apple resellers was 28000 EGP. > I save 28000-22000 = 6000 EGP. > Regarding savings and how frequent can I get a new $1251 iPhone: > Assume I save per month 1000 EGP, > Required number of months 22000/1000= 22 monthes (around 2 years) > Assume I need to get a new Mac every 6 years: > For $25000 MBP : > Current exchange rate is less than 16EGP per 1USD, so I will assume it is > 15EGP per 1USD for now. > Cost before taxes is 2500 * 15 = 37500EGP > Assume same savings per month and same exchange rate and increase in salary > just cover the inflation, so I still save 1000 EGP per month as well, > Number of months required to get a new MBP is 37500 / 1000 = 37.5 months > (around 3 years and 2 months of savings) > > Since we are blind users, new technologies are beneficial for us to deal > better with normal people. For example OCR is crucial in the world where > people start sharing a lot of images on social media even text is shared in > form of images. So, those who still have iPhone 6/6s or whatever such old > iPhone, they don’t recognize text because of slow devices and none supported > feature or just slow enough that they prefer not to use from the beginning. > These devices, according to me at least, are my eyes to the world. Getting > the more features is just better. > > I wrote all of that explaining why it is better for blind users to have a > single machine with multiple operating systems. This machine may be expensive > enough that we can’t get another soon. > > Regards, > > Mohamed E. Fayed > > > >> On 26 Oct 2021, at 3:33 AM, Rebecca Skipper <skipper8...@gmail.com >> <mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> I think that we should avoid running Windows on Mac and Mac on Windows. >> Having used both operating systems to some degree, I've learned that each >> one works best in their native environments. >> I find Mac's supported apps limited and wish I could run more IOS apps on >> the Mac. >> I have to use two devices to get the same things accomplished that I could >> do on Windows. >> To be fair though, I'm not familiar with Pages. >> I hope OCR continues to improve. >> Use both operating systems if you depend on technology for work. >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Muhammad Fayed >> Sent: Monday, October 25, 2021 8:54 PM >> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >> Subject: Re: Apple Silicon vs Intel x86 for Voiceover users on Mac >> >> What is meant by running Mac OS on windows is that you have a windows >> machine, and create Mac OS virtual machine using whatever virtualization >> software. >> >> This has a couple of issues: >> 1. It is illegal. As the user agreement of Mac OS, you should not run Mac OS >> on any non Apple machine. I don’t remember the exact text, but it is easily >> understandable. >> 2. It is very slow compared to getting a Mac machine and run windows on it >> using virtualization. >> >> HTH, >> >> Mohamed E. Fayed >> >>> On 25 Oct 2021, at 7:06 PM, 'Sabahattin Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries >>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Sorry, I don’t know what you mean by “running Mac on Windows”. >>> >>> You can already virtualise (that is, create a virtual environment for) and >>> dual-boot (that is, reboot and then start as though on a PC) Windows. Macs >>> make very fine Windows machines either way, providing you understand the >>> limitations of the hardware and driver support. Modern Windows is very >>> power-efficient and if you configure it correctly it can run every bit as >>> nicely as macOS, although on notebooks with discrete GPUs Apple has always >>> prejudiced the integrated GPU (there are workarounds, if you know where to >>> look). >>> >>> I mostly run Apple stock apps on my Macs, but the bulk of it is in Linux >>> VMs or Terminal. Any consideration to move exclusively to Apple Silicon >>> would mean, for me, deciding which platform was the lesser evil for >>> essentially day-to-day apps; I would simply have to have (and carry about) >>> multiple machines, otherwise. Right now my iMac does the work, and runs >>> both platforms well, but I don’t boot Windows very often at all and it >>> might simply be time to leave Windows behind altogether when travelling. >>> Alternatively, of course, I purchase a cheap Apple Silicon notebook for the >>> few (and, I’ll be honest, generally less important) things macOS does well, >>> and begin the painful transition back to Windows full-time. I’m not sure >>> which, yet. Given that my VMs are Linux, and Windows now has WSL for Linux >>> command-line software, it’s actually not an easy call to make any more—I >>> think the reason I’m stuck to macOS is mostly familiarity and the overall >>> experience, but it clearly also has limitations that would be amplified by >>> Apple Silicon and not having Windows around as rescue, however infrequently >>> that actually happens. >>> >>> I don’t know the accessibility status of Windows 365, but I don’t really >>> fancy renting my computer in the cloud. 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