Hi Karen, 

If Herbie can give you materials that would be great. Big Sur is the operating 
system after Catalina. Here’s the AccessWorld article about it:
https://www.afb.org/aw/20/12/16850 

If you still want a teacher, email me off list.

HTH,
Janet


> On Dec 8, 2022, at 5:01 PM, Fazil M. <mfa...@outlook.com> wrote:
> 
> MayI have that too, please?
> Thanks!
> 
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> Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2022 1:46 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: New to MacBook. Seeking advice on strategies for developing 
> competence.
> 
> I might be able to give you some old training material regarding Catalina, 
> but most things are the same. Messages and calendar are vastly different, and 
> mail has some minor changes and you may have a slightly different look with 
> System preferences. 
> 
>> On Dec 8, 2022, at 15:36, Karen Lewellen <klewel...@shellworld.net> wrote:
>> 
>> may I ask how much this data connects with Catalina?
>> Finding it personally frustrating,  and would welcome a solid outside of the 
>> system itself resource.  Or better still  an in person teacher whom I am 
>> happy to pay.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Thu, 8 Dec 2022, Janet Ingber wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Devin,
>>> 
>>> My book about the Mac is available on the National Braille Press website. 
>>> However, it is about the basics of using the Mac and information about the 
>>> Big Sur operating system. NBP does not update the book annually. Here’s the 
>>> link:
>>> https://www.nbp.org/ic/nbp/MAC-BASICS-2021.html?from_search=1
>>> 
>>> Hope this helps.
>>> Janet
>>> 
>>>> On Dec 8, 2022, at 9:21 AM, 'Devin Prater' via MacVisionaries 
>>>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> For the person who mentioned that they have written books on MacOS and 
>>>> VoiceOver, are those on National Braille Press, or somewhere else?
>>>> 
>>>> Devin Prater
>>>> 
>>>>> On Dec 6, 2022, at 6:17 PM, Marlene Kramer <marlenebiologis...@gmail.com> 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> thanks so very much to all who replied.
>>>>> you’re supportive encouragements give me optimism! This is much better 
>>>>> than the sense of dread I was developing.
>>>>> you all have been most helpful.
>>>>> I am sure I will have many questions to follow, but I will not be shy in 
>>>>> posting them.
>>>>> Best to all, Marlene.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Dec 5, 2022, at 4:28 PM, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Apple's online documentation is also useful. I would suggest this page 
>>>>>> (summarizing Mac OS keyboard commands):
>>>>>> https://support.apple.com/en-au/HT201236
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On 6/12/22 06:52, bbsshawn via MacVisionaries wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi Marlene. Welcome to the group and welcome to the Mac. I've been a 
>>>>>>> Mac user for 12 years. When I got my first Mac which was a white 
>>>>>>> polycarbon plastic MacBook running Snow Leopard, I sold my Lenovo PC 
>>>>>>> the same day so I was forced to learn the Mac. It took me two weeks to 
>>>>>>> learn the OS and I've been loving the Mac ever since. Someone said on 
>>>>>>> this list a while ago that if you really want to learn how to use this 
>>>>>>> platform, you should forget everything you know about Windows and to 
>>>>>>> not use your PC as a crutch when you're frustrated with the Mac. They 
>>>>>>> were great words and I took them to heart. I think that's why I'm very 
>>>>>>> good at it. Also, along with this list, I have a Whatsapp group called 
>>>>>>> Mac Users and Newbies which is also a great group. If you'd like to be 
>>>>>>> added and if you're on a mobile phone such as iOS or Android, you can 
>>>>>>> send me your contact information and I'll put you in the group. Enjoy 
>>>>>>> the Mac.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Shawn
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Dec 5, 2022, at 7:02 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>>>>>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> That’s probably true.
>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>> Donna
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Dec 4, 2022, at 7:02 PM, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>>>>>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On Dec 5, 2022, at 00:00, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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>>>>>>>>>> I don’t know why either, but that was certainly the case for me.  I 
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>>>>>>>>>> lot of things that were basically hard-wired, and I had to relearn 
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>>>>>>>>> well. This was followed by Android, iOS, and then Mac OS. I didn’t 
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>>>>>>>>> After that came Windows, learned “mostly on the job” in a work 
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