I completely agree, and on these various mac lists, I have found a population of blind people all over the world that I truly feel at home with, apple people. :) Many of us don't belong to the conventional organizations, play by our own rules to get things done, and just have a love for these wonderful products. This is really a great group of people, and is something I haven't really found until now, a segment of the blindness community where I fit. Olivia On Apr 15, 2010, at 3:36 AM, Cody wrote:
> Takes a deep breath. > > Oh yeah, like the damn nfb cares. if they cared so much, then why don't > training centers demo macs. > > It's call money. I hate the ***** nfb. > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anne Robertson" <a...@anarchie.org.uk> > To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 3:30 AM > Subject: Re: What do you think? > > > Hello Nic, > > Thank you for this post. You've just saved me from going on a major rant > along the same lines. > > Cheers, > > Anne > > On Apr 15, 2010, at 9:14 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I seriously doubt that is the case. Apple accessibility has been around for >> six years now, not three. I doubt NFB had anything to do with it. Apple is >> going to keep it up because they are committed. The article about the >> lawsuit doesn't actually mention Apple much. >> >> There is actually a very good point of view. Apple poses a threat to the NFB >> of taking over the technical market. This is why NFB did not sue Skype, but >> Apple. Agreement or not, I'm pretty sure they listened to users using >> Outspoken and such, rather than an organization that can't even review the >> product properly when it is out. Apple has done far more than anyone for >> accessibility improvements. Apple said they had something in store, and they >> sure did. I of course realize that it is a pretty serious statement. Of >> course, I am not particularly a fan of the NFB at all. Saying that, NFB has >> made some seriously inaccurate statements as well, far outweighing mine. NFB >> actually has no reason to sue Apple. What would they sue them for, exactly? >> Because their products are accessible, and they want everyone to pay more >> than what a Macbook costs for assistive technology? That wouldn't actually >> surprise me much. It's all about competition. If they think they're about to >> be kicked out, of course they would consider Apple a threat. Because Apple >> has done something Microsoft has not. All these things sound really twisted >> and disgusting to me. >> >> Apple can hardly be sued for their effort. Their lawsuit had to do with >> iTunes on the Windows side. Fair enough, but that is a pretty ridiculous >> suit if it really is based on accessibility. That is not the case, however, >> as there are plenty of other useful programs for PCs that are not anywhere >> near as accessible as iTunes 9. And NFB doesn't care about that. Which, >> again, leads me to believe that, because NFB is scared of being kicked out, >> they do everything they can to stop people buying their product. That would >> make sense. >> >> Windows users rely on scripts all the time to use any application. I suggest >> you look through your jAWS folder to see what I mean. Have you even seen >> just the download size of a JAWS installation? It's outrageous. People who >> moan about iTunes not being accessible just because the interface >> accidentally broke, just need to use scripts like they do for everything >> else. I'm surprised that wasn't their first complaint. JAWS, or just Windows >> in general, isn't even that stable. If JAWS crashes, it's stupidly difficult >> most of the time to reload the product. Even if you manage to do so, you >> will probably run into the screen not being read correctly when reading list >> boxes or with the cursor. Or, the worst-case scenario. You have to uninstall >> JAWS 11 after attempting to install Video Intercept, reinstall JAWS 10, >> install VIdeo Intercept, uninstall JAWS 10 then reinstall JAWS 11. >> >> Maybe I'm slamming the NFB a bit, but really, they need a kick in the ass. >> I'm just happy the Danish blindness organizations are not this corrupt and >> twisted, and they actually review fairly and take a proper look at what a >> company offers before suing them. I'll always be negative about the NFB, >> though I am actually being neutral when talking about the actual lawsuit >> itself. >> >> Say what you want to, it won't change my mind. Even if it is someone from >> NFB saying it. Some NFB people are great. Some do incredibly good reviews. >> Some don't. And in whole, I think the organization just sucks for filing >> unnecessary lawsuits for nothing. Maybe I'm going on a childish tantrum >> here, perhaps. But once in a while, you need to. A company is trying to >> provide great accessibility for their products, and they are sued because of >> one problem. iTunes is actually still useful on the Windows side, people. >> Quit your darn nitpicking. >> >> Regards, >> Nic >> Skype: Kvalme >> MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk >> AIM: cincinster >> yahoo Messenger: cin368 >> Facebook Profile >> My Twitter >> >> On Apr 15, 2010, at 8:08 AM, Rob Lambert wrote: >> >>> I just got wind, from a friend of mine, that the only reason Apple is >>> accessible to us is because of a lawsuit by the NFB. The term of the >>> agreement was for accessibility improvements for three years. Here's a >>> question. First, what's your side of this ordeal? Second, who thinks Apple >>> will keep up with the accessibility improvements after this three year term >>> is up? 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