I know exactly what you mean Olivia. Luckily for me, I never was really exposed to any of the blindness organisations and only dealing with one now to get support for housing. I do have an employment advisor with them but if she keeps telling me I should use windows, I will conveniently not listen. I always have and always will play by my own rules. I know what works for me and I know what doesn't. I won't be told what works for me as a blind individual by any organisation who thinks they know what is best. Since being an apple person as you put it, :) I have found other VI people I can relate too. People who seem driven and innovative and have a thirst and determination about life. It's refreshing. My only "blind" experience I have had in the UK was not a pleasant one and it made me grateful I had always gone to mainstream education. Harsh as that may sound, it's my opinion. :) but on these various lists, its awesome to meet VI people with the same thirst and determination to be far away from the stereotype most out there would love to fit us into.
On 15 Apr 2010, at 13:32, olivia norman wrote: > I completely agree, and on these various mac lists, I have found a population > of blind people all over the world that I truly feel at home with, apple > people. :) Many of us don't belong to the conventional organizations, play by > our own rules to get things done, and just have a love for these wonderful > products. This is really a great group of people, and is something I haven't > really found until now, a segment of the blindness community where I fit. > Olivia > On Apr 15, 2010, at 3:36 AM, Cody wrote: > >> Takes a deep breath. >> >> Oh yeah, like the damn nfb cares. if they cared so much, then why don't >> training centers demo macs. >> >> It's call money. I hate the ***** nfb. >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anne Robertson" <a...@anarchie.org.uk> >> To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >> Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 3:30 AM >> Subject: Re: What do you think? >> >> >> Hello Nic, >> >> Thank you for this post. You've just saved me from going on a major rant >> along the same lines. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Anne >> >> On Apr 15, 2010, at 9:14 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> I seriously doubt that is the case. Apple accessibility has been around for >>> six years now, not three. I doubt NFB had anything to do with it. Apple is >>> going to keep it up because they are committed. The article about the >>> lawsuit doesn't actually mention Apple much. >>> >>> There is actually a very good point of view. Apple poses a threat to the >>> NFB of taking over the technical market. This is why NFB did not sue Skype, >>> but Apple. Agreement or not, I'm pretty sure they listened to users using >>> Outspoken and such, rather than an organization that can't even review the >>> product properly when it is out. Apple has done far more than anyone for >>> accessibility improvements. Apple said they had something in store, and >>> they sure did. I of course realize that it is a pretty serious statement. >>> Of course, I am not particularly a fan of the NFB at all. Saying that, NFB >>> has made some seriously inaccurate statements as well, far outweighing >>> mine. NFB actually has no reason to sue Apple. What would they sue them >>> for, exactly? Because their products are accessible, and they want everyone >>> to pay more than what a Macbook costs for assistive technology? That >>> wouldn't actually surprise me much. It's all about competition. If they >>> think they're about to be kicked out, of course they would consider Apple a >>> threat. Because Apple has done something Microsoft has not. All these >>> things sound really twisted and disgusting to me. >>> >>> Apple can hardly be sued for their effort. Their lawsuit had to do with >>> iTunes on the Windows side. Fair enough, but that is a pretty ridiculous >>> suit if it really is based on accessibility. That is not the case, however, >>> as there are plenty of other useful programs for PCs that are not anywhere >>> near as accessible as iTunes 9. And NFB doesn't care about that. Which, >>> again, leads me to believe that, because NFB is scared of being kicked out, >>> they do everything they can to stop people buying their product. That would >>> make sense. >>> >>> Windows users rely on scripts all the time to use any application. I >>> suggest you look through your jAWS folder to see what I mean. Have you even >>> seen just the download size of a JAWS installation? It's outrageous. People >>> who moan about iTunes not being accessible just because the interface >>> accidentally broke, just need to use scripts like they do for everything >>> else. I'm surprised that wasn't their first complaint. JAWS, or just >>> Windows in general, isn't even that stable. If JAWS crashes, it's stupidly >>> difficult most of the time to reload the product. Even if you manage to do >>> so, you will probably run into the screen not being read correctly when >>> reading list boxes or with the cursor. Or, the worst-case scenario. You >>> have to uninstall JAWS 11 after attempting to install Video Intercept, >>> reinstall JAWS 10, install VIdeo Intercept, uninstall JAWS 10 then >>> reinstall JAWS 11. >>> >>> Maybe I'm slamming the NFB a bit, but really, they need a kick in the ass. >>> I'm just happy the Danish blindness organizations are not this corrupt and >>> twisted, and they actually review fairly and take a proper look at what a >>> company offers before suing them. I'll always be negative about the NFB, >>> though I am actually being neutral when talking about the actual lawsuit >>> itself. >>> >>> Say what you want to, it won't change my mind. Even if it is someone from >>> NFB saying it. Some NFB people are great. Some do incredibly good reviews. >>> Some don't. And in whole, I think the organization just sucks for filing >>> unnecessary lawsuits for nothing. Maybe I'm going on a childish tantrum >>> here, perhaps. But once in a while, you need to. A company is trying to >>> provide great accessibility for their products, and they are sued because >>> of one problem. iTunes is actually still useful on the Windows side, >>> people. Quit your darn nitpicking. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Nic >>> Skype: Kvalme >>> MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk >>> AIM: cincinster >>> yahoo Messenger: cin368 >>> Facebook Profile >>> My Twitter >>> >>> On Apr 15, 2010, at 8:08 AM, Rob Lambert wrote: >>> >>>> I just got wind, from a friend of mine, that the only reason Apple is >>>> accessible to us is because of a lawsuit by the NFB. The term of the >>>> agreement was for accessibility improvements for three years. Here's a >>>> question. First, what's your side of this ordeal? Second, who thinks Apple >>>> will keep up with the accessibility improvements after this three year >>>> term is up? 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