Erik: Ok, that's what I thoiught ;you were saying. It's that doubling up that had me wondering this morning if there were in fact ways to use os without specifically having to use VO keys. Maybe some day when I've conquered this thing a little better I'll be able to do some thingws easier. But, I'm happily moving along now.:) Take care Carolyn On Jun 3, 2010, at 1:04 PM, erik burggraaf wrote:
> Hi Carolyn, > > I guess what I'm saying is that VO doubles up a lot of commands. For > example, to go to the dock voiceover trains you to press control option D. > In fact, mac OS 10.6 snowleopard has a built in command to focus the dock, > command option d. > > If you do > not > have keyboard commander turned on, press command and option with your right > hand, and tap d, and you will hear dock and whatever dock icon you have > focussed. > > My point is, why do we need two ways to do so many things? Wouldn't it be > better if we taught the mac OS way of accomplishing something and dispensed > with a lot of duplicated effort? If we didn't have a voiceover key to go to > the dock, then we could use control option D to read the time and date. Then > we wouldn't need keyboard commander to accomplish this. I have keyboard > commander turned on, and it's no great hardship. But it would be a lot more > comfortable for me to use command option D to go to the desktop since I have > both a command and an option on the right hand side of my keyboard. I can't > do this though, because my right option key is dedicated to the keyboard > commander. > > It works, but doesn't it seem just a little counter intuitive? > > Best, > Erik Burggraaf > User support consultant, > Website: http://www.erik-burggraaf.com > Toll-free: 888-255-5194 > > On 2010-06-03, at 1:45 PM, Carolyn wrote: > >> Erik: >> Are you saying they could integrate Vo into the OS so that more commands are >> universal to the system? Carolyn >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: erik burggraaf >> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 5:43 AM >> Subject: Re: Getting Out of the Box on the Mac >> >> Well, actually, there are a huge array of mac operating system keys that >> have been replaced by voiceover keys, or at least supplanted. Most of these >> don't require the control key, so you are not limitted to the left hand. I >> quite honestly wish voiceover would drop a lot of it's baggage and teach mac >> OS more through it's help system. >> >> Best, >> >> Erik Burggraaf >> User support consultant, >> Website: http://www.erik-burggraaf.com >> Toll-free: 888-255-5194 >> >> On 2010-06-02, at 7:33 PM, Kimberly thurman wrote: >> >> > I've also found my self playing finger twister with the left hand. If I >> > could find any faults with VO it would be that there are often two many >> > keys included in keyboard combinations, but I suppose there's no help for >> > it. LOL!!! >> > On Jun 2, 2010, at 6:07 PM, Carolyn wrote: >> > >> >> Erik: >> >> Thanks for this, even though it was in response to Mark. I've wondered >> >> about but been afraid to mess with Cursor wrapping. >> >> I've also often wished I had 6 or 8 fingers on my left hand!:) >> >> TC >> >> >> >> Carolyn >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: erik burggraaf >> >> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> >> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 3:05 PM >> >> Subject: Re: Getting Out of the Box on the Mac >> >> >> >> Hi Mark, The elegant way to do this is to check the box to rap the >> >> voiceover curser. Then when you reach the bottom or end of a dialog box, >> >> pressing vo right arrow will take you right back to the top. Similarly, >> >> if you are at the top, pressing vo left arrow will take you to the bottom. >> >> >> >> The inelegant way to do this is by pressing... are you ready for this? >> >> Control, option, shift, fn, left arrow to go to the top, >> >> and Control, option, shift, fn, right arrow to go to the bottom. >> >> See I knew you werent' ready. Don't try to finess this, just mash down >> >> the whole bottom left of your keyboard pretty much and giver with the >> >> arrow keys. >> >> >> >> Hope this helps, >> >> >> >> Erik Burggraaf >> >> User support consultant, >> >> Website: http://www.erik-burggraaf.com >> >> Toll-free: 888-255-5194 >> >> >> >> On 2010-06-02, at 4:43 PM, M. Taylor wrote: >> >> >> >>> Hello Everyone, >> >>> >> >>> OK, so I'm interacting with elements in the VoiceOver Dialog Box. >> >>> Eventually, my VoiceOver cursor lands on the Help button at the lower >> >>> right >> >>> of the Dialog Box. >> >>> >> >>> Until now, I have to continuously press VoiceOver Left-Arrow until I >> >>> reach a >> >>> place, like a Tab, where I can stop interacting with the current area. >> >>> That >> >>> is to say, I cannot stop interacting when I first land on the Help >> >>> button. >> >>> >> >>> So, my question: >> >>> >> >>> Is there a way to stop interacting or immediately jump back up to the >> >>> beginning of a Dialog Box with VoiceOver? >> >>> >> >>> Mark >> >>> >> >>> -- >> >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> >>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >> >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >> >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email >> >>> tomacvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> >>> For more options, visit this group at >> >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >> >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email >> >> tomacvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> >> For more options, visit this group at >> >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >> >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email >> >> tomacvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> >> For more options, visit this group at >> >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > >> > -- >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> > "MacVisionaries" group. >> > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >> > To unsubscribe from this group, send email >> > tomacvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> > For more options, visit this group at >> > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email >> tomacvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email >> tomacvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. 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