I signed up for one to one training and schedule my classes so that I get the 
same trainer. We built a working relationship and she is learning voiceover as 
we work together. I also learn from manuals podcasts and this list. The best 
way to learn is teaching. Also remember that the Apple store primarily works by 
appointment.

On Jan 10, 2011, at 11:25 PM, "brandt" <brandt.steenk...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I know that the apple stores around here does boath training for mac 
> opperating system and iWorks. I inquired about voiceover, and the guy I spoke 
> to didn't have a clue what I was talking about. That's why, when I ever get 
> that mac, I'm going in on my own, with help from the podcasts done by mike 
> Arrigo.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Brandt Steenkamp
> 
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> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carolyn Haas" <chaas0...@gmail.com>
> To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Cc: "Carolyn Haas" <chaas0...@gmail.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 6:04 AM
> Subject: Re: learning voiceover the old fashioned way?
> 
> 
> Hi Karen:
> A couple of things come to mind here.  I'm not big on podcasts, and, like you 
> prefer to learn hands on or at least with something hardcopy braille. There 
> are a couple of options.  If you read braille, there is a braille version of 
> the "getting started guide" availaable from I believe the san Fransisco 
> lighthouse.
> 
> 
> There is also a tutorial available through Handytech USA though I'm not sure 
> which format it comes in.  Last I knew the cost for that one was  $75, and 
> you can get it through Handytech usa.  Another option is to check out the 
> text tutorials on the Apple website,.  There are also workshops through 
> Handitech, and one to one from Apple directly, if there is an Apple store 
> near you.
> HTH
> Carolyn HOn Jan 4, 2011, at 4:07 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:
> 
>> Hi all,
>> If I have read it once I have read it a zillion times, and agree.  It is 
>> important to know  a screen reader as completely as possible.
>> I prefer, especially if I cannot get hands on training, or if I have seen 
>> that others may have issues, to read as much as I can in advance.
>> so, has anyone put together a solid users guide specifically for voiceover?  
>> I realize any such guide would be in flux, changing as apple upgrades the 
>> system in general, and voiceover in particular.  Still a solid guide,  more 
>> for reading than say someones audio tutorials would be fantastic.
>> Say the sort of book one would use in a classroom, or that would have come 
>> in the box with your old style screen readers?
>> thanks in advance,
>> Karen
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