Hi Ben,
I never really got into figuring out how to do depot level repairs
on the equipment. I naturally replaced cards and built systems, because
that was part of the operation of a small shop. I mainly ran the routers,
switches and THS system. I do know a guy who if you could get him to chisel
out a bit of his time would love to speak with you about how to figure out
work-around for doing them if possible. He is the guy that I mentioned in
my previous post.
Later,
Scott
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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ben Mustill-Rose
Sent: Friday, January 21, 2011 5:27 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple "screwing" iPhone users to block them from opening the
hardware they paid for.
Scott.
Whilst I do agree with you, I feel that in this situation, Apple did
make the right choice by making there iPhones harder to take apart.
You talk about computer repair. When you ran the shop, did you ever
get someone who tried to upgrade or fix the computer themselves? Did
you ever find that it ended up quite a bit worse because of the
attempted fix?
Now, picture a really small device, with lots of surface mounted
components inside it - those components that are removable will be
connected via ribbon cables. I don't know if you've ever encountered a
ribbon cable, but you can't mess about with these things if you want
them to work after.
Lets be honest. If someone has the required knolige to fix an iPhone,
it would be a trivial matter for them to research the correct tools
needed to open the device. Whilst I do agree that the way that
companies protect there devices is getting slightly over the top, what
sort of crazy mods do you think people would be able to come up with
for the iPhone? Do you think that people would be able to uncover a
secret dipswitch and suddenly be able to overclock there cpu's by
200%?
I do intend to open my 3gs soon to replace the glass and the battery,
but I know that if I break it, it's my fault. Do you remember those
old dell optiplex machines from 10 12 years ago where the cases were a
nightmare to remove? That wasn't to stop the hardcore geek from
upgrading there hardware, it was to stop the kind of person who would
break there computer by attempting an upgrade from upgrading it and
lets be honest, there are quite a few of those people.
As a side note (and I'm more than happy to take this off list if you
want), as a total, did you ever find a way to replace capacitors on
motherboards in the repair shop? I've been investigating component
level repairs on both desktop and laptop boards and would be
interested in speaking with people who can replace dc jacks, usb
ports, capacitors and people who are able to reflow the nvidia gpu's
that suffered from cracked solder due to overheating.
On 21/01/2011, Scott Ford <scotte.f...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello Everyone,
> I have read the previous messages on this topic, I would like to
> respectfully object. I would like to begin by saying that I feel the
topic
> is certainly news worthy. Furthermore I am quite disturbed at how readily
> folks on this list are willing to just bow to the "omnipotent Corporation
> looking out for our well being." I feel that Apple is only protecting its
> bottom line and that is where it begins and ends. Fifty years ago the
Sears
> catalog included schematics so that one could self troubleshoot issues
whit
> products that were sold in their catalog. Today we have covers to cover
> covers, layering the electronics and mechanical parts of our cars and
> hundreds of other devices that we use every day. As an American I love
our
> traditional spirit of adventure and personal independence to take a
product
> designed or meant for one purpose and transform it into something
completely
> beyond what it was designed for. In pushing this envelope we have been a
> market leader and produced some of the sharpest minds in our century. I
> know for a fact that a few funky shaped screws are not going to stop the
> people that I am describing. I am objecting with the status quo, and the
> consensus of the people on this list. Before I went blind I was a Heavy
> equipment Mechanic. Whenever I would hear about situations like the one
> outlined I would be frustrated. We have an amazing amount of competent
> electronic specialists who would not bat an eye at removing the back of
> their iPhone to do a minor repair. I am a ham radio operator and that
> spirit is certainly alive and flourishing. The amount of money that folks
> with these skills are saving by doing their own repairs, are nothing short
> of amazing. When I owned a computer store and we would frequently have
> computers come in where their capacitors had dried out and exploded. This
> action is so dramatic, that when my friend and business partner who
happened
> to be one of these skilled electronic technicians that you are saying have
> no business tinkering around in a iphone, would replace the capacitors.
Our
> customers would think that he had performed nothing short of a miracle.
> Along those same lines I had dropped my BN PK and the cards had become
> dislodged. He simply reseated them and I went on my way. The company had
> just charged me 250.00 for new batteries. He researched it in four
minutes
> and could have replaced them for me for 18.00. How much do you think that
> Humanware would have charged for reseating my cards, not to mention the
> time. Please do not tell me that this is not news worthy, because it
> certainly is.
> Sincerely,
> Scott
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of heather kd5cbl
> Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 10:04 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Apple "screwing" iPhone users to block them from opening the
> hardware they paid for.
>
> Well, that would be like watching tim the tool man tailor, right!
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ricardo Walker" <rwalker...@gmail.com>
> To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 5:25 PM
> Subject: Re: Apple "screwing" iPhone users to block them from opening the
> hardware they paid for.
>
>
> Lol,
>
> I think this is quite funny. Really, unless your the like 1% of iPhone
> owners who want to take your device apart, is this even news worthy?
>
> Ricardo Walker
> rwalker...@gmail.com
> Twitter, Skype, and AIM: rwalker296
> Google Voice: 1-646-450-2197
>
>
>
> On Jan 20, 2011, at 6:20 PM, Scott Howell wrote:
>
>> Gee, have you considered that maybe Apple doesn't want you mucking about
>> in there and then trying to claim the device has some sort of flaw, which
>> means they would have to replace or repair it? There is a reason why they
>> don't want the average person messing with the internals. Now once out of
>> warranty, I think you should be able to do whatever you want since if you
>> break it you get to keep the pieces or pay APple to put it back together.
>> Scott
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jan 20, 2011, at 4:51 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
>>
>>> Is this another method apple i using to control repairs and keep
>>> consumers out? read more:
>>>
>>> http://bit.ly/gpoTpd
>>>
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