I should clarify that ctrl-tab will work if your pages are opened in separate tabs in the same window, which might happen more or less frequently depending on your settings. Best, Zack. On Jul 24, 2011, at 4:14 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
> That'll work too. > > Chris. > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ricardo Walker" <rwalker...@gmail.com> > To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2011 7:06 AM > Subject: Re: Totally bizarre finding with Safari 5.1 in Lion > > > The same way its always been done. At least since Leopard when I started > using a Mac, command accent. > > hth > > Ricardo Walker > rwalker...@gmail.com > Twitter & Skype: rwalker296 > www.mobileaccess.org > > On Jul 24, 2011, at 7:02 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote: > > Mmm, true, but on the IPhone, there's a button you'll have to press in order > to see other pages than the one that has focus, and the focused page is the > one that's opened last. Oh well, cmd+opt+q seems to be my best friend at the > moment… Btw, the one question we haven't asked in our frustration is how does > one jump between pages that are opened? > > /Krister > 24 jul 2011 kl. 02:14 skrev John Panarese: > >> Keep in mind that Lion resembles iOS. The look and feel of Lion is intended >> to be like the iPhone or iPad. For example, the new view in mail is like >> what one finds on the iPad. So, the applications are going to start to be >> like those we find in the iOS environment. >> >> Take Care >> >> John Panarese >> jpanar...@gmail.com >> >> >> >> On Jul 23, 2011, at 6:53 PM, Shen wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> Thanks for that tip, I will remember to do that from now on. Although I >>> really don't understand why Apple would change this behavior from before. >>> And there is no option under Safari menu to close all windows and quit. >>> I think this is going to be a problem. Say you go to a website, and for >>> some reason, Safari crashes, and it is not responding. This has happened to >>> me more often with Safari than any other browser I've used. >>> You need to force quit Safari in order to close it. The next time you open >>> Safari, guess what, it's going to open the last page it had, which is the >>> page that crashed, you are stuck. >>> Unless there is a way to open Safari without opening any windows, similar >>> to the way if you hold down the Options key while opening iTunes, you will >>> be prompted for a library. >>> I tried this, no luck. >>> >>> >>> On Jul 23, 2011, at 3:23 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote: >>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> John is correct. As mentioned in a separate thread, you can use the >>>> cmd-option-q which will Quit and Discard Windows, thus allowing you to >>>> startup Safari from your Homepage. Alternatively, you can go into your >>>> system Preferences, select the General pane and uncheck the box for >>>> Recovering Windows. It sometimes doesn't take effect right away, but it >>>> will. If you have problems with this, please repost and someone will >>>> assist. >>>> >>>> Later… >>>> >>>> On 2011-07-23, at 2:11 PM, John Panarese wrote: >>>> >>>>> Have you tried quitting Safari with, option-command-q instead of just >>>>> command-q? I believe this will close all of the active Safari Windows >>>>> and will not have them open next time you start Safari. >>>>> >>>>> Take Care >>>>> >>>>> John Panarese >>>>> jpanar...@gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Jul 23, 2011, at 3:57 PM, Shen wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Teresa, >>>>>> I saw that too, but it's not a checkbox. It's an option that lets Safari >>>>>> open all the windows from the last session. >>>>>> So that doesn't work. >>>>>> Looks like 1 way of doing this is when I am done and about to quit >>>>>> Safari, close all tabs and windows, then open my home page, then quit. >>>>>> I can't imagine there is no way to just open the home page instead of >>>>>> all windows from last session. Otherwise, what's the point of a home >>>>>> page? >>>>>> >>>>>> On Jul 23, 2011, at 11:28 AM, Teresa Cochran wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> In the history menu in Safari, uncheck "Reopen all windows from last >>>>>>> session". >>>>>>> >>>>>>> HTH, >>>>>>> Teresa >>>>>>> On Jul 23, 2011, at 10:48 AM, Shen wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hello, >>>>>>>> Yes, you and I are having the same issue. Whenever I open Safari, I >>>>>>>> prefer to have only my hope page open. But for some reason, it is now >>>>>>>> opening all the pages I had open the last time I quite Safari. As far >>>>>>>> as I can find, there is no setting to change that. The other little >>>>>>>> quirk I have is whenever a page is done loading, VoiceOver doesn't >>>>>>>> always put me in the html content and start interacting with it. I >>>>>>>> have to press VO-Shift-Down Arrow to start interacting with it. The >>>>>>>> second issue is not that bad, but just a little annoying. >>>>>>>> I sure would like to know if I can get Safari to open only my home >>>>>>>> page and not all the tabs and windows I had open the last time before >>>>>>>> quitting Safari. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Jul 23, 2011, at 3:52 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I wholeheartedly agree with Chris here. Calm down, folks. If there's >>>>>>>>> an issue, first check if there's a solution or workaround for the >>>>>>>>> thing, if not, ask a question here, after the frustration has >>>>>>>>> settled, and if that doesn't help, write a polite letter to Apples >>>>>>>>> Accessibility team. I've got a couple issues i'm investigating now, >>>>>>>>> one of them are on-topic here, and it's about how i go about having >>>>>>>>> Safari not to open all the pages i had up last every time i open a >>>>>>>>> new page. It makes sense when first starting Safari directly, but if >>>>>>>>> there's a page i want to read, i don't want to have to close all the >>>>>>>>> other pages that pop up and taking focus away from the page i want to >>>>>>>>> read. Surely there must be a setting somewhere, only i can't find it. >>>>>>>>> /Krister >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 23 jul 2011 kl. 03:39 skrev Chris Westbrook: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> And in case anyone actually cares, this has nothing to do with vo or >>>>>>>>>> lion. The reason Jaws won't download on safari is that by default, >>>>>>>>>> freedom scientific offers direct ftp links to their downloads and >>>>>>>>>> safari apparently can't handle direct ftp links. If you REALLY want >>>>>>>>>> to download Jaws from a mac, FS offers a page for http downloads. >>>>>>>>>> Frankly, the whole item chooser thing really doesn't bother me much >>>>>>>>>> as the web roder has always worked for me and that is for the web. >>>>>>>>>> I am glad I upgraded, and I'm even getting used to the new mail. I >>>>>>>>>> think we all just need to calm down a bit. As far as apple not >>>>>>>>>> caring, just because they don't talk to us doesn't mean they don't >>>>>>>>>> care. They don't talk to anyone, it's as simple as that. Missy, I >>>>>>>>>> really hope you get your power situation straightened out, but I >>>>>>>>>> don't think that is a lion issue either. Calm down everyone. :) >>>>>>>>>> Chris Westbrook >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Jul 22, 2011, at 9:29 PM, Matthew Campbell wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Hi guys. >>>>>>>>>>> Just to add a little to what Carolyn said, it's been two days since >>>>>>>>>>> Lion came out so don't expect these problems to just magically go >>>>>>>>>>> away. >>>>>>>>>>> If they are making some of you guys that angry, switch back to SL. >>>>>>>>>>> It can be done easily enough if you have a recent backup. >>>>>>>>>>> Email off list please if you need help doing this seeing as this is >>>>>>>>>>> starting to become not VO related anymore. >>>>>>>>>>> Thanks and for those that need too, chill! >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 2011-07-22, at 9:16 PM, carolyn Haas wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Chris: >>>>>>>>>>>> Do yourself and all of us a favor: >>>>>>>>>>>> Step away from the computer and chill for a while before writing a >>>>>>>>>>>> pointless rave like this. No one really needs to hear it. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 22, 2011, at 6:37 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Not exactly that anyone would really want! to download this, but, >>>>>>>>>>>>> why in the heck is it, that if I go to either >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.freedomscientific.com >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Or: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.hj.com >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Take your pick, for one, I am finding the item chooser stuff >>>>>>>>>>>>> happening here as well, if you do vo+I then type d o w... stick >>>>>>>>>>>>> with me, it gets even weirder than item choser stuff... I'm just >>>>>>>>>>>>> setting some ground... anyway, if you hit vo+i, then do d o w, >>>>>>>>>>>>> you won't get the downloads link, yet if you use vo+U and go to >>>>>>>>>>>>> links in the roter, then! do it, it works, then go to jaws for >>>>>>>>>>>>> windows screen reading software, then try to find the jaws 12 >>>>>>>>>>>>> download link, if you hit vo+space on that link, Safari says the >>>>>>>>>>>>> page cannot be found. Now, here's the weird part. If I try this >>>>>>>>>>>>> from my xp pro sp3 machine with either I E, or Firefox, then hit >>>>>>>>>>>>> enter on the link, same network l A n, same public I P address, >>>>>>>>>>>>> same internet connection, etc. same d h c p, same d n s, same >>>>>>>>>>>>> router, nothing changes but the platform, the download works like >>>>>>>>>>>>> a charm! Let me say this, no jokes. I've had a really rough day, >>>>>>>>>>>>> and quite frankly am not in the mood for the smart mouth >>>>>>>>>>>>> comments, like, well yeah, Jobs hates FS so he blocked you from >>>>>>>>>>>>> the site, or why would you compare jaws to VO, or want to >>>>>>>>>>>>> download the fish... you may have a point, but no you really >>>>>>>>>>>>> don't, OK. This isn't about one screen reader being better than >>>>>>>>>>>>> another. this is about the item chooser, and the router, and the >>>>>>>>>>>>> downloading in Safari consistently across many pages be very >>>>>>>>>>>>> inconsistently odd in behavior. Take it as such. If you can't >>>>>>>>>>>>> offer anything resourcesful and just wanna throw lookie jokes >>>>>>>>>>>>> around, look, I'm not tonight as I would normally be, in the mood >>>>>>>>>>>>> for it. OK? Please, if you all test and find the same thing, let >>>>>>>>>>>>> me know. I'd be interested if anyone knows why the things in >>>>>>>>>>>>> Safari have to be so d*** annoying. I'm frustrated yes, the mods >>>>>>>>>>>>> could say that and that I need to chill, and I'm willing to, but >>>>>>>>>>>>> people, come on! I mean, really, one could argue, I'm not the >>>>>>>>>>>>> one who decided to jup into Lion right away. You're right. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Perhaps I jumped the gun too soon. But, that really isn't your >>>>>>>>>>>>> right to say. The thing is, I'm getting more stressed with the >>>>>>>>>>>>> Lion update by the minute. What ticks me off more though is >>>>>>>>>>>>> Apple doesn't seem to give a rat's butt one way or another, ar at >>>>>>>>>>>>> least it doesn't appear that way, but I'll explain more about >>>>>>>>>>>>> that in another more rellavant post. 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