Hi! Yes when in vo commands just down arrow to the audio and right arrow into it and the mute vo toggle is in that menu! There is no key commands listed, so safer to make it a commander shortcut first! If you vo space on it! Then the vo will mute and you might not be able to get back to turn it on again! Colin On 27 Sep 2011, at 19:04, Chris Blouch wrote:
> VO+h+h just brings up help for me on OSX 10.6. Is there something else I need > to do first? > > CB > > On 9/27/11 12:21 PM, Krister Ekstrom wrote: >> If the Mute VO toggle temporarily turned vo off, or put it to sleep so that >> the commands of VO wouldn't interact with those of ChromeVox, the answer >> would be yes. >> /Krister >> 27 sep 2011 kl. 17:56 skrev Red.Falcon: >> >>> Hi! >>> Would the mute vo toggle in vo+h+h in audio be useful for this! >>> That could be set to any of the commanders like keyboard or one of the >>> others! >>> There is also mute speech but not sure if that one would be useful! >>> Colin >>> >>> On 27 Sep 2011, at 16:38, Chris Blouch wrote: >>> >>>> Is there a way to configure VO to 'sleep' while a certain app is active. I >>>> know screen readers on other platforms have this capability. I hunted >>>> around for a while and couldn't turn up anything related to changing VO >>>> settings depending on what app you're in, not to mention turning it off. I >>>> guess somebody could do an Applescript to invoke Apple-F5 every time you >>>> switch to Chrome but that seems like a lot of churn, and still doesn't >>>> address other VO-enabled apps needing to still work. >>>> >>>> CB >>>> >>>> On 9/27/11 11:04 AM, Larry Skutchan wrote: >>>>> Another nice feature would be that Chrome Vox would remain silent when >>>>> Chrome does not have focus. >>>>> >>>>> On Sep 27, 2011, at 10:28 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> This would be where activities in Voiceover would really come in handy. >>>>>> Let's say that there was a setting to temporarily put VO to sleep, is >>>>>> there such a beast? If so, one could do an activity that was for Chrome >>>>>> and that put VO to sleep as long as you were in chrome, but when you got >>>>>> out of it, VO would work as expected. Unfortunately however, i don't >>>>>> think such a setting exists. Maybe one should put in a suggestion for >>>>>> this to Apple a11y. >>>>>> >>>>>> /Krister >>>>>> 27 sep 2011 kl. 16:16 skrev Chris Blouch: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Odd. So you have to disable the screen reader to use it? What if I want >>>>>>> to flip over to answer a Skype or IM while I'm wordprocessing? How will >>>>>>> I even know that someone is calling? What if I want to navigate to the >>>>>>> finder and copy a file? Howabout reading my email in mail app to copy >>>>>>> paste some text into a Google Doc file? Requiring the screen reader to >>>>>>> be turned off for their web app to work seems very problematic. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> CB >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 9/27/11 8:36 AM, Kevin Chao wrote: >>>>>>>> Hi Krister, >>>>>>>> Pleas see response below inline. >>>>>>>> On 9/27/11, Krister Ekstrom<kris...@kristersplace.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>>> Chrome is as i recall and judging of how it looks on the web page >>>>>>>>> opensource, which according to my experience means very messy web >>>>>>>>> site and >>>>>>>>> documentation. >>>>>>>> ChroemVox and parts of Chrome are open source, but website and >>>>>>>> documentation are very nicely laid out, efficient, andeffective. >>>>>>>>> Having said all this, i would like to know where i can obtain >>>>>>>>> the chromevox extension. So i wonder where to get the extension. can >>>>>>>>> i get >>>>>>>>> it directly from chrome using something or other to get extensions? >>>>>>>> Please see my original message, which started this thread, which is >>>>>>>> still part of conversation and contained within this message for all >>>>>>>> the links to all the details you'll need to get going. >>>>>>>>> Do i have to turn vo off every time i want to use the browser? >>>>>>>> Yes, it's one very effective and effective command away, CMD-F5. >>>>>>>>> /Krister >>>>>>>>> 27 sep 2011 kl. 13:56 skrev Kevin Chao: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> HI Paul, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Please see response below inline. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 9/27/11, Paul Erkens<paul.erk...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> Hi Kevin, >>>>>>>>>>> What things did you actually achieve with the google stuff you are >>>>>>>>>>> so >>>>>>>>>>> happy >>>>>>>>>>> about? Google docs has been a problem for a long time. I know that >>>>>>>>>>> people >>>>>>>>>>> have been working on it in cooperation with google, and that alone >>>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>> already exciting, but I'm curious about a few things before I dive >>>>>>>>>>> in. >>>>>>>>>> As a college student and an employee where professors, students, and >>>>>>>>>> co-workers are all using Google Docs. It's extremely exciting, >>>>>>>>>> empowering, and equalising that I am able to use it as well with a >>>>>>>>>> consistent and unified experience on Mac OS X and other platforms. >>>>>>>>>> For >>>>>>>>>> me, Mac OS X with the various productivity/office suite and web >>>>>>>>>> browser have not allowed me to be productive, such as iWork (also >>>>>>>>>> tried Open Office, Libra Office, Bean, and Tables) and Safari (also >>>>>>>>>> tried Webkit and Lightning) have not allowed me to be productive. >>>>>>>>>> However, Google has changed all of this. With Chrome, ChromeVox, >>>>>>>>>> Docs, >>>>>>>>>> and other Google Apps; I am able to be productive on my Mac. >>>>>>>>>>> 1. When you start to use chrome, which is just another browser, like >>>>>>>>>>> safari >>>>>>>>>>> is the main one on the mac, can you use the chrome browser with >>>>>>>>>>> voiceover >>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>> start with? >>>>>>>>>> Voiceover will work with Chrome, but the very same issues that occurs >>>>>>>>>> with Safari will exist, such as focus lost, inability to interact >>>>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>>> HTML content, web rotor/item chooser missing elements/items, lag, TAB >>>>>>>>>> key being inconsistent, moving among various HTML elements will >>>>>>>>>> require several attempts, and many other issues. >>>>>>>>>>> 2. If you can, what does the chromevox extension give you on top of >>>>>>>>>>> it? >>>>>>>>>>> If >>>>>>>>>>> you can not use chrome with voiceover, does chrome plus chromevox >>>>>>>>>>> then >>>>>>>>>>> give >>>>>>>>>>> you equal performance than safari does, when visiting other >>>>>>>>>>> websites? In >>>>>>>>>>> other words, would you say that chrome is a good replacement for >>>>>>>>>>> safari? >>>>>>>>>> ChromeVox is an extension that has very deep integration with Chrome, >>>>>>>>>> removes several layers of abstractions, and allows for things to be >>>>>>>>>> done that traditional desktop screen readers cannot due to it being a >>>>>>>>>> web browser extension. All the issues I detailed with >>>>>>>>>> Safari/VoiceOver >>>>>>>>>> do not exist in Chrome/ChromeVox. >>>>>>>>>>> 3. When using google docs, is it true that many people can work on a >>>>>>>>>>> document simultaneously, and can you now easily see who changed >>>>>>>>>>> what? >>>>>>>>>> Yes, all of this is possible with Docs, is accessible, and it's >>>>>>>>>> possible to use other real-time features, such as chat to discuss >>>>>>>>>> various points with others who you are collaborating with, several >>>>>>>>>> can >>>>>>>>>> make changes, and it's possible to review/edit all these changes as >>>>>>>>>> they're occurring. Inserting, viewing, and editing comments are also >>>>>>>>>> accessible. All of this and much more with Docs applies to documents >>>>>>>>>> and spreadsheets. >>>>>>>>>>> 4. What are the current do's and don'ts, that you found out about, >>>>>>>>>>> in the >>>>>>>>>>> environment? In other words, what things is the environment good >>>>>>>>>>> at, from >>>>>>>>>>> an >>>>>>>>>>> accessibility point of view? >>>>>>>>>> It's a work in progress, with Google being very interested in >>>>>>>>>> feedback/input, great open communication, and will soon have updates >>>>>>>>>> addressing lots of areas, which includes new features, bug fixes, and >>>>>>>>>> other items, which are based on feedback. Essentially, a great web >>>>>>>>>> browser and access to standard/new versions of Docs, Calendar, and >>>>>>>>>> Gmail are the great highlights. >>>>>>>>>>> Very curious. >>>>>>>>>> Please give it a try. Google has great documentation (user guide, >>>>>>>>>> keyboard command reference, Docs screen reader help, and interactive >>>>>>>>>> tutorial). >>>>>>>>>>> Paul. >>>>>>>>>> Kevin >>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 27, 2011, at 6:06 AM, Kevin Chao wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Google is very committed, understanding, and has done an incredible >>>>>>>>>>>> job with accessibility. In particular, Chrome, ChromeVox (Chrome >>>>>>>>>>>> extension), Apps (Docs [documents/spreadsheets], Calendar, and >>>>>>>>>>>> Gmail). >>>>>>>>>>>> This package results in a very effective, efficient, powerful, and >>>>>>>>>>>> top-notch productivity suite. All is needed is Chrome, ChromeVox, >>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>> a Gmail/Apps ID. I've been using Google apps, especially >>>>>>>>>>>> documents/spreadsheets for the last several days within Chrome and >>>>>>>>>>>> ChromeVox extension and find it to be great. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Please see below for all the links/details needed to get going >>>>>>>>>>>> with a >>>>>>>>>>>> universally accessible, powerful, robust, and first-class >>>>>>>>>>>> productivity >>>>>>>>>>>> suite. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Google Chrome Canary (Mac/Windows platform powering >>>>>>>>>>>> ChromeVox/Apps): >>>>>>>>>>>> http://j.mp/oWZ7Of >>>>>>>>>>>> Installing ChromeVox as a packed extension >>>>>>>>>>>> http://j.mp/nmnNR5 >>>>>>>>>>>> ChromeVox User Guide: >>>>>>>>>>>> http://t.co/b9ABBkv >>>>>>>>>>>> Use Google Docs with a screen reader >>>>>>>>>>>> http://goo.gl/cmeHV >>>>>>>>>>>> Google accessibility feedback: >>>>>>>>>>>> http://goo.gl/wePru >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> FYI: new/standard UI/look/view is recommended and will work with >>>>>>>>>>>> Chrome/ChromeVox. >>>>>>>>>>>> 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