very simple reason. to make logic pro fully accessible means a total rewrite. that's the info given to me by one of my contacts at apple. it requires complete recoding from the base layer to include voiceover support to all windows and elements. take as an example the main arrange window... you have each channel strip which in itself has various components including additional components, drop down menus including automation layouts, etc, each button for mute, solo, arm record, etc. out of that, there's access to the tool palette and master control etc. then there's full mixer access. the mixer is a fully adapted mixer so changes depending on the behaviour of the project you want to use or the type of system you need.. you have various plugin windows, process management windows, etc. it's a full on programming restructure to give voiceover the support it needs.
OK bear in mind that lion has a few tweaks in voiceover and the last update of logic has changed a few things, you have to bear in mind that each update may tweak objects and elements which can be seen by voiceover. intentional or not. that's the way programming is. Look at the length of time between versions of pro tools before we have accessibility. It's taken so long for digidesign (NOW AVID) to roll out pro tools 9 and 10 with voiceover integration and they've done a great job. OK it's taken a lot of work with various people who I am proud to say have changed the face of production for blind users. For apple to completely rework logic for blind users would mean a full new release built from the ground up. not just a few tweaks here and there. from another point, please note that other production systems are not accessible at all and never will be. Steinberg Cubase / sequel / nuendo. Bias Peak. Motu digital performer. These will never work with a screen reader environment like voiceover as to do the work means changing programming language, changing the way they use interface elements and then mastering voiceover access.. I do apologise for my tone in the last emails. this gets a bit of a touchy subject for me as I quit as a professional musician / recording artist because of these issues, after investing in equipment I spent time working with and trying to adapt to a suitable environment, being told by apple sales reps that logic studio 8 and 9 were accessible and down the line they weren't at all. the only way I managed to get some work done was turning logic into a master tape and using a digital production board as the front end. I hated every minute. I wasn't willing to go to windows and use sonar with jaws and some scripts. I could have gone completely analogue but finding a comfortable production console here is just not as easy as all new consoles are digital, touch screens, etc. I do however hope that apple developers do take the time to build logic as a complete system with voiceover integration. It's a bloomin decent system for sighted users and is a decently priced competitor to pro-tools. lew On 4 Jan 2012, at 02:08, Vic wrote: > Hi Lew, > I am not questioning your assertions. I just wanted to know what > exactly does not work in Logic and whether you had a chance to try > this application with the latest update on Lion. > Also, why are you convinced that Apple can't turn around and make > parts of Logic accessible the way they did with Garage Band? > > Thanks, > Vic > > > On Jan 3, 1:11 am, "Mr. L. Alexander" <turningbyto...@gmail.com> > wrote: >> I'm not stating assumptions. just pure fact. >> >> though OS X lion and the latest update may offer a few object links, you >> cannot interact with the main window correctly nor run logic as you need to >> use it. simple as that. >> >> The day apple pulls it's finger out to make logic pro fully accessible is >> the day I become pope! >> >> lol >> >> lew >> >> On 2 Jan 2012, at 23:39, Vic wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> This topic is so timely. >>> I just stopped by a local Apple store and had a chance to play with >>> Logic Pro for about 10 minutes using VoiceOver on a Lion-powered >>> system. >>> I would not say that Logic is completely inaccessible. On the other >>> hand I cannot say at this point how much it actually is. >>> I was able to access toolbars, menus, track template library, some >>> parts of mixer, transport controls and an assortment of other things. >>> So, I am wondering who on the list have actually played with the >>> latest Logic Pro 9.1.6 and can tell us which parts are accessible, >>> which ones are nearly accessible and which ones are completely out of >>> question. I'd love to play with real facts and not just assumptions. >> >>> Anyone, please? >>> Thanks a lot. >>> Victor >> >>> Mr. L. Alexander wrote: >>>> no it isn't >> >>>> it hasn't been accessible at all for a long time. >> >>>> there's only 1 workaround to using logic blind. that's using a >>>> professional digital production console worth about £10,000 or more. >> >>>> the simple answer here is to go with AVID ProTools 10. >> >>>> Sorry. logic is a touchy subject. >> >>>> lew >> >>>> On 2 Jan 2012, at 21:46, Emrah wrote: >> >>>>> Hey there, >> >>>>> Does anybody know if Logic Pro is accessible with VO? >>>>> I saw it for $199 and thought it sounded like an excellent deal for what >>>>> it can do. >> >>>>> Thanks and best wishes for 2012, >> >>>>> -- >>>>> Emrah >> >>>>> “In theory, theory and practice are the same. 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