what sold this for me was the use of the ipad as a complete business solution. For some work, I need straight access to certain information over the net, direct email, etc and this baby offers it. Yes, taking a laptop on the road is OK but not as practical.
lew On 28 Apr 2012, at 18:32, chris hallsworth wrote: > I might get an iPad in the future. I hear the speakers are better than even > the iPhone which don't get me wrong is excellent but the more the merrier I > say. Also because the screen is large I may enjoy using iOS more as typing on > the iPad I predict will be less laborious thanks to the large screen. Don't > get me wrong I love my iOS devices but again the more the merrier I say. > > > Christopher Hallsworth > > On 28/04/2012 13:50, Donna Goodin wrote: >> Hi Lew, >> >> congrats on your iPad. they really are cool devices. My husband has one, >> and I thought long and hard about getting one too. But eventually I decided >> that since I didn't need the larger screen, that the iPhone could do >> everything I needed, so it didn't make sense to duplicate devices. I >> confess, though, I'm envious. Every once in a while I look at my husband's >> iPad and get a sudden craving for coolaide. lol >> Cheers, >> Donna >> On Apr 28, 2012, at 8:44 AM, Lewis Alexander wrote: >> >>> nice one donna, I fully agree. >>> >>> the iPad is a product which can truly change the lives of blind users >>> throughout the world. I'm in the process of buying an iPad as it's needed >>> for work both in the workshop and on site as a rep for a company, so the >>> online catalogue needs to be available and accessible to me all the time, >>> the iPad for me feels absolutely amazing, after road testing the new model, >>> I've fallen in love with it. I don't need a wife, just an iPad lol >>> >>> lew >>> >>> On 28 Apr 2012, at 13:39, Donna Goodin wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Christine, >>>> >>>> I'm perplexed. How do you see the push to have iPads in classrooms as >>>> something that leaves the blind/VI student out? If anything, I see that >>>> as something that better enables us to participate, thanks to the fact >>>> that Apple has made the iPad a fully accessible device. >>>> Best, >>>> Donna >>>> On Apr 28, 2012, at 8:36 AM, Christine Grassman wrote: >>>> >>>>> With all due respect, Scott, laws which disparately impact certain groups >>>>> or classes of people have been flouted through civil disobedience since >>>>> the introduction of legal systems, e.g., civil rights, disability rights, >>>>> employment rights, etc. The United States might not exist were it not for >>>>> disobeying laws. >>>>> I am an attorney, and it continues to amaze me how slowly the U.S. is >>>>> moving to accommodate disability, and how snail-paced the societal shift >>>>> in attitudes toward us has been. and it seems that whenever a company >>>>> like Apple makes great strides in accommodating blindness off the shelf, >>>>> plenty of other technologies come along and do not bother to incorporate >>>>> us into their equation. So many educational apps, for example, are not >>>>> accessible, though they could be, and given the push now to have iPads in >>>>> classrooms, once again blind, visually impaired, and otherwise >>>>> print-disabled students will be left out. Apple moves us two steps >>>>> forward, and "progress" (for others) moves us three steps back. I should >>>>> be able to turn on a television, flip a switch, or turn on a transmitter, >>>>> and get descriptions. I should be able to access books on the Nook or the >>>>> Kindle, not just iBooks. I cannot express, and I am sure others here >>>>> agree, the happiness I feel when a new release or best-selling publ > ication is available on iBooks. >>>>> (Incidentally, if a book is available on iBooks and on bookshare.org, I >>>>> purchase the book. Yet, I have lost quite a lot of money as a published >>>>> author -- as soon as my book was published, I sent a copy to >>>>> bookshare.org; it was more important to me to have it available at the >>>>> same time to the blind and print-disabled. The Authors Guild apparently >>>>> does not care about such access, despite the fact that they would >>>>> actually get money from us.) >>>>> >>>>> I would happily go to the movies more and happily purchase >>>>> audio-described movies through iTunes if they were available. Even movies >>>>> which are released with audio description are not always sold through >>>>> movie resellers -- goodness knows I have tried. To date, I have only >>>>> located The Incredible Hulk, from 2008, which I purchased for my son. >>>>> Even Apple could do more. It could strengthen its requirements for apps. >>>>> It has provided developers with the means to make their apps VoiceOver >>>>> accessible, and there are plenty of apps out there which could be so. >>>>> Only apps that are visual by their very nature should be exempted. But, >>>>> as usual, profit trumps people, despite the fact that the disabled >>>>> community rewards those who remember us with our business. >>>>> Frankly, I would prefer to purchase the audio-described movies and shows >>>>> I download from the vault, so that I could watch them with sighted >>>>> friends and family. I wish I could show a film to a class and not have to >>>>> ask my para or a student to tell me what is going on. The entertainment >>>>> industry gets plenty of my money. If they want more, they should remember >>>>> that I deserve to be able to access their material independently. OK. >>>>> Topic over. Those of you who wish to continue this off-list are welcome; >>>>> I've appreciated your correspondence thus far. >>>>> Christine >>>>> On Apr 28, 2012, at 6:13 AM, Scott Howell wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I am sure commenting on this only adds fuel to the fire, but I did want >>>>>> to point out that as I recall the person that is responsible for this >>>>>> movie vault thing also runs a legit company. I would find it difficult >>>>>> to believe that he has not checked into this because no one would want >>>>>> to put their business assets at risk. If there truly is an investigation >>>>>> then prove it. I get pretty annoyed when people claim something, but >>>>>> cannot or do not provide any reference to back those claims. And for the >>>>>> record I do not condone pirating of any kind and believe that regardless >>>>>> of accessibility issues even blind people must follow the laws. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Apr 27, 2012, at 10:51 PM, Christine Grassman wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Naturally, if the moderator deems this discussion verboten, I will >>>>>>> refrain further, but I would feel remiss not to point out the following >>>>>>> for consideration: >>>>>>> 1. As of several hours ago, there was nothing on the FBI's official web >>>>>>> site regarding an investigation, nor were there any press releases or >>>>>>> other comparable references to an investigation of the movie vault. A >>>>>>> reference would be appreciated; mere speculation or rumor could be >>>>>>> deemed libelous. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 2. The problem industries have with illegal file-sharing is loss of >>>>>>> revenue. Since, at least in the United States, there is virtually no >>>>>>> way to purchase audio-described movies or television shows, the >>>>>>> industry is not being cheated of revenue. >>>>>>> 3. The files are straight audio, with no ability, for example, to >>>>>>> "watch" with sighted peers while having the benefit of the audio >>>>>>> description. This is not at all remotely similar to downloading a film >>>>>>> for the family to watch. That being said, the vast majority of the >>>>>>> sighted community does this with impunity, even though many of the >>>>>>> shows and movies they download can be seen for free when they are are >>>>>>> shown on television. We, on the other hand, cannot even enjoy full >>>>>>> access to these shows when they *are* on television. Either they are >>>>>>> not audio-described at all, or it is not easy to turn on the secondary >>>>>>> audio channel, or a particular station only carries foreign language >>>>>>> broadcasts on the SAC rather than audio description. Comparing access >>>>>>> to audio-described movies and shows in mp3 format to the type of >>>>>>> file-sharing which goes on 24/7 on hundreds and thousands of sites is a >>>>>>> stretch. >>>>>>> 4. If the government and/or the involved industries wish to do >>>>>>> something about the existence of resources like the movie vault, the >>>>>>> former should mandate, and the latter should provide a market from >>>>>>> which we can obtain these items. I have been able to watch a >>>>>>> non-described movie with others after listening to an mp3 file and tell >>>>>>> another blind person what is going on thanks to that previous >>>>>>> experience. My two blind children have been able to enjoy fare which >>>>>>> their peers enjoyed months or years ago. Until the entertainment >>>>>>> industry levels the playing field, I will utilize resources like the >>>>>>> movie vault with the same guiltless pleasure I take in bookshare.org >>>>>>> (and, by the way, it is possible to download books from bookshare.org >>>>>>> which are available commercially.) We cannot use the Kindle as others >>>>>>> do. WE cannot use the Nook. We are severely limited in what we can >>>>>>> access independently when it comes to entertainment, and we must even >>>>>>> still fight for access to education at ever > y level, despite technological advances. 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