I have another question for this subject; I thought I had read that the modes (DOM or Groups) could be selected for each site you go to and VO would remember that preference when you go back to a given site. Did I read this wrong? I do not observe that aspect to be working on my setup.
The difference I see between DOM and Groups mode is quicker navigation on those sites where several links are grouped into a single object. This is especially nice with those navigation links so you don't have to VO-Right for every single link. But I have also run into situations where groups are nested within groups which are also nested in yet another group so I end up having to interact maybe 3 levels down before I can get to focus on the desired link. So it goes both ways and I'm glad we have the choice. As was answered, use the rotor to change to different navigation levels like Character, Worde, Line, Form field, Heading, and several others. On 5/1/12, Alex Hall <mehg...@gmail.com> wrote: > I've tried both, but I have no idea which is better, or even what the > difference really is. I have read the help for it, and I am very > familiar with what a DOM is, but i can't see a difference between the > functionality of both modes when I'm using either one. > Yes, I have the arrow keys down well enough. However, back to my > original question: if there's a long p element (paragraph), how do I > read line by line, word by word, and so on? Right arrowing will just > skip the whole thing, or jump to the top of it if I move back to it. > > On 5/1/12, Jonathan C. Cohn <jonc...@cox.net> wrote: >> Up / down arrows will move the web rotar selection and left right will >> move >> by chunks. Do you use Group or Dom navigation? >> >> Best wishes, >> Jonathan >> >> Jonathan C. Cohn >> jonc...@cox.net >> >> >> >> On Apr 29, 2012, at 9:15 PM, Alex Hall wrote: >> >>> I have quick nav on. However, the left/right arrows don't seem to >>> navigate reliably (I ended up at the bottom of a page, and you can't >>> read by smaller chunks inside, say, a paragraph of text). Say you're >>> reading an article and aren't sure how an oddly spoken phrase is >>> spelled. On Windows, or in an edit area on Mac, you'd arrow to the >>> line, then move word by word to the phrase, then read word by word or >>> character by character. How would you do this (efficiently, not by >>> moving the rotor all over the place and hoping you don't hit the wrong >>> key and jump out of the entire article) in Chrome or Safari? Even the >>> "lines" setting on the rotor is not very useful - I still have no idea >>> what it thinks a "line" is, and it never seems to move me anywhere. >>> >>> On 4/29/12, Ricardo Walker <rwalker...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> I haven't had much luck with chrome vox. All it does is crash chrome on >>>> my >>>> machine. If you want to just navigate with arrows, you should just turn >>>> on >>>> quick nav by pressing the left and right arrow keys at the same time. >>>> >>>> JMO. >>>> >>>> Ricardo Walker >>>> rica...@appletothecore.info >>>> Twitter:@apple2thecore >>>> www.appletothecore.info >>>> >>>> On Apr 29, 2012, at 8:52 PM, Alex Hall <mehg...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I've heard of Chromevox and I even tried it a while back, but I found >>>>> it >>>>> confusing and difficult to work with. Still, if I can arrow around, it >>>>> might be worth looking into again. Are there any podcasts on it? >>>>> On 29 Apr 2012, at 20:49, Jonathan C. Cohn wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> You might want to try using chrome vox. If you hit the command key >>>>>> twice >>>>>> while in chromevox then all the shortcuts are able to be done without >>>>>> holding down command-control. Chrome Vox does do things a bit >>>>>> different >>>>>> for arrows. Up/Down is your primary navigator and left / right >>>>>> navigates >>>>>> at a smaller incrment. >>>>>> >>>>>> So if up/down is reading sentences then left / right will navigate by >>>>>> word. In a table however all four arrow keys while in Object >>>>>> navigation >>>>>> will navigate by table cell. >>>>>> >>>>>> I am not sure if dom/group works in Chomebox. In Safari and Webkit, >>>>>> DOM >>>>>> mode navigates much like a windows browser with speech. Group mode >>>>>> combines major clusters of information and will navigate as things are >>>>>> layed out on the screen to the most part. >>>>>> Jonathan C. Cohn >>>>>> jonc...@cox.net >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Apr 29, 2012, at 8:21 AM, Alex Hall wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi all, >>>>>>> I am using Chrome for a web browser, and I have a few questions about >>>>>>> reading and navigating web pages. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 1. In the vo utility, you can choose either DOM order or grouping. >>>>>>> Which >>>>>>> is better? >>>>>>> 2. Is there a way to disable the web rotor, so the arrows will act >>>>>>> like >>>>>>> they do in text reading or editing? With letter navigation, I see the >>>>>>> web rotor as redundant and I'd rather use the arrow keys in the usual >>>>>>> text navigation way. >>>>>>> Thanks in advance. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Have a great day, >>>>>>> Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini) >>>>>>> mehg...@gmail.com; http://www.facebook.com/mehgcap >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups >>>>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Have a great day, >>>>> Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini) >>>>> mehg...@gmail.com; http://www.facebook.com/mehgcap >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups >>>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups >>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Have a great day, >>> Alex (msg sent from GMail website) >>> mehg...@gmail.com; http://www.facebook.com/mehgcap >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> >> > > > -- > Have a great day, > Alex (msg sent from GMail website) > mehg...@gmail.com; http://www.facebook.com/mehgcap > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. 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