Hi Chris I agree with Veronica here. I'm a new Mac user and don't really get interacting either. But I'm learning by trial and error, and not stressing if I don't understand the concept. Your ring binder analogy and the zoom camera one actually really helped me, so thanks for those. I do know that, because I have my tab key set to automatically interact, I'm possibly interacting with things more than I realise. Some purists might say I shouldn't have my tab key set that way, because I should know what I'm interacting with, but it makes it feel a little more like Windows sometimes and it helps me get the job done. I don't probably care enough to always know when I am, and am not interacting. I suggest a "trial and error" approach with the student. Get her to accomplish some simple tasks like opening and saving a file, writing and sending an email. If she can do that, or whatever else she wants to do, the conceptual stuff may follow later. I never really got many of the Jaws concepts either re mouse, invisible and pc cursor. But I knew when I needed to try the pc cursor, and how to tether the two, to achieve what I needed.
Good luck. Lisette On 4/06/2012, at 4:31 PM, Veronica Elsea wrote: > Hi there! > Well, I am not a trainer, but I thought I'd describe my difficulties > understanding the interactive concept and see if it helps at all. I do > understand your bookshelf analogy except for one thing. If I'm in the finder > and come upon a folder name, I just issue an open command to go into it. If I > don't want to open the folder, I just hit the arrow key to move to the next > folder title. So, I didn't have to do anything there with VoiceOver. I'm > really baffled by things like sometimes having to interact with a table and > sometimes just arrowing down, as I do in the messages table in mail. So, what > did I finally do for me? Gave up on trying to get the concept. <grin.> > I did better with rote learning. Interact here. Don't interact here. Try > something and if it doesn't work, try interacting. I can't think of anything > in the Windows screen-reader world that is like this. So the best phrase I > was able to offer myself was this, some things just don't happen > automatically in VoiceOver and you have to tell VoiceOver what you want it to > look at. That's the only thing that allowed me to deal with what seems like > inconsistencies in when one does or does not need to interact with something. > It is kind of a goofy thing and I can see why some people would struggle. > And you're right. The only real answer is practice, trial and error. See if > it helps to tell your student that other people have trouble figuring this > out too and we all just try things together. Maybe if your student can then > relax a bit about it, not getting to that brain ache place trying to > understand something, he or she may start practicing again. I know I've given > myself breaks, just to let my own frustration wind down. > And good for you for continuing to try to reach this person. Keep it up. > <grin.> Hope this helps. > > Veronica > > At 09:10 PM 6/3/2012, you wrote: >> The way I explain VoiceOver's interacting with an object or region is to >> think of what a sighted person does with their eyes when they want to focus >> in on a small region of the screen. They squint their eyes a bit and narrow >> their gaze and focus in on a region of the screen that might have small >> details. It's also akin (sort of) to the zoom feature of a camera; when in >> zoom mode, you can only see certain elements at a time, but you can see >> great detail. >> >> HTH. >> >> >> • Mark BurningHawk Baxter >> • AIM, Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969 >> • MSN: burninghawk1...@hotmail.com >> • My home page: >> • http://MarkBurningHawk.net/ >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > Watch and hear Veronica Elsea's Prayer for a Soldier at > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFoIhWrBHFI > Then learn about Music CDs that will impact and entertain you forever! > http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com > Veronica Elsea, Owner > Laurel Creek Music Designs > Santa Cruz, California > 831-429-6407 > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
