Hi Ricardo, I wonder the same thing. I also wonder how am many people like me would use Zoom if only it worked a bit better. With VO At work where we are firmly set in the windows world, I primarily use JAWS but use ZoomText in conjunction with it. I have it set to about 30 times on a 28 inch screen. The point is that I use zoom text because at times it can add to my experience and efficiency even if a lot of the time I am actually relying on JAWS. With
I feel that Zoom on the Mac actually takes away from my experience of Voice Over. I hope there are a few other people out there giving there feedback. Garth iblindtech.com On 03/07/2012, at 7:55 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote: > Hi, > > I wonder how many zoom users are out there? I ask because, I wonder if there > are enough users to give Apple enough feedback. My vision isn't good enough > to really use zoom for any extensive length of time so, I can't really point > anything out. Well, except the way it bounces Voiceover around when trying > to navigate menus. I think this is probably do to me having the mouse cursor > following Voiceover though. > > Ricardo Walker > rica...@appletothecore.info > Twitter:@apple2thecore > www.appletothecore.info > > On Jul 3, 2012, at 4:44 AM, Garth Humphreys <ghu...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> I'd love to see some improvements to the way VO works with Zoom and just >> some improvements to Zoom in general. I mostly don't use Zoom on my Mac but >> this only because it is so poor when compared to things like ZoomText in the >> windows world. It is probably great if you don't need to use Voice Over or >> if you only need a little enlargement but it falls completely short for me. >> >> Garth >> iblindtech.com >> >> On 03/07/2012, at 6:26 PM, Chris Moore wrote: >> >>> Riccardo, >>> >>> Actually that is what I was hinting at to be honest, as i feel the method >>> of selecting text within Safari is rather sloppy. You can also navigate by >>> line within iOS, so hoped that feature would come across to OS X. >>> Navigating by line is also useful when trying to read pages that have been >>> styled into columns via CSS instead of a table. This can be done in JAWS >>> quite nicely. >>> >>> Chris >>> On 3 Jul 2012, at 00:11, Ricardo Walker wrote: >>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> I doubt you will see the reading by line with the down arrow. That would >>>> radically change the way VO navigates the web, and I'm not sure it would >>>> be for the better. It would be selecting text easier though. >>>> >>>> Ricardo Walker >>>> rica...@appletothecore.info >>>> Twitter:@apple2thecore >>>> www.appletothecore.info >>>> >>>> On Jul 2, 2012, at 6:37 PM, Chris Moore <apple.geek.ch...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hmmm I remember a while back putting a list of 15 improvements. I can't >>>>> remember them all now, so perhaps I have just learnt to live without >>>>> them. I did report them to Apple though as bugs and feature enhancements. >>>>> >>>>> The VoiceOver busy is the biggest annoyance which is caused by the >>>>> pathetic slow buffering system voice over uses. So I would like to see >>>>> that rewritten from the ground up. There are a few random performance >>>>> bugs that happen now and then which require me to switch voice over off >>>>> then back on again. So overall performance could do with being improved. >>>>> >>>>> I would also like to know what web page I am looking at when switching >>>>> between tabs, being told that is an HTML page is not exactly helpful. I >>>>> would also like to navigate line by line just by pressing the down arrow >>>>> or up key. VO still needs a bit of work when reporting how many HMTL >>>>> elements are on a web page, some windows screen readers seem to find more >>>>> tables and headings than VO, especially in the buggy rotor. >>>>> >>>>> I would like the ability to edit form fields in a PDF with Preview, but I >>>>> believe this is coming in the next Mountain Lion release (according to >>>>> Apple's website). >>>>> >>>>> I would appreciate MIDI event editing in GarageBand, and a huge update to >>>>> iWork. There just is not enough accessible productive software on the >>>>> Mac. There is more to using a Mac than just Skype and Mail surely? >>>>> >>>>> Not sure if that bug still exists when using the real speak voices where >>>>> the pitch used to shift up and down randomly. I stopped using those >>>>> voices as it became too annoying. >>>>> >>>>> I would also like the ability to edit voice over's dictionary. For >>>>> example if you type third as in the number 3 followed by the letters r >>>>> and d, you get 3rd (three road), surely this should be a third? So I >>>>> think the ability to edit some of VO's assumptions would be nice, or >>>>> maybe VO should grow up and become a tad more intelligent. I would like >>>>> more control over how VO reads out numbers too. >>>>> >>>>> Maybe developers should also be given the option to name what VO calls an >>>>> HTML area, as something else? For example when using adium the chat >>>>> window is called an HTML area, am sure a chat window or conversation >>>>> window would be more meaningful. >>>>> >>>>> Last but not least, I find VO a bit slow when first entering the iTunes >>>>> store. The page takes a while to render. Well actually visually it does >>>>> not, but VO seems to think it does. Actually come to mention it when VO >>>>> says something is busy, a sighted person can still move the mouse and >>>>> perform the action they require, it is just VO's buffer which is busy. >>>>> >>>>> I spotted another bug today too. When ordering a smart case for my iPad, >>>>> VO was unable to read out the colour options. When trying to select a >>>>> colour, VO simply said "space radio button" for each of the 6 colours. >>>>> The work around seemed to be select a colour, go back to the top of the >>>>> screen and read out the description to see if the default green had >>>>> changed. Or look in the basket and hope to god you have not selected >>>>> pink. I eventually performed this task via the Apple Store app on my >>>>> iPhone which performed perfectly. >>>>> >>>>> Chris >>>>> On 2 Jul 2012, at 19:16, Daniel McGee wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi all, a while ago on this list I saw someone mention that they would >>>>>> like so and so bug to be fixed in Mountain Lion. >>>>>> I would just really like to start a discussion on if there are not many >>>>>> enhancements to Voiceover in the next OS, then what bugs would you like >>>>>> fixed and hope Apple has done there job with it. >>>>>> I'll go 1st. >>>>>> For me its safari. two things for me. >>>>>> 1. Now and then when I go back a page with CMD left bracket Voiceover >>>>>> doesn't announce my list of headings or links that I have set in VO >>>>>> utility. >>>>>> 2. continuing this previous page thing, because I don't always know when >>>>>> the page is fully loaded when going back, I get the lovely "Voiceover >>>>>> Busy!" Not! >>>>>> This is using Lion V7.4 and Safari 5.1.7 >>>>>> >>>>>> So what are yours? >>>>>> >>>>>> I hope this will become an interesting topic because I'm interested to >>>>>> see what people can come up with and I'm sure there will be some good >>>>>> ones! >>>>>> >>>>>> So everyone, the dance floor is yours! 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