My favorite solution is to use track pad commander and make selections or press 
buttons with a one finger double tap.  Pressing VO + space one key at a time 
and releasing them at the same time works, but it is awkward and slower.  

I have the Apple wireless keyboard with my Mac Mini. Are there any keyboards 
which don't have that issue with the VO+space command?

Kristyn 
On Jul 31, 2012, at 6:22 PM, Eugenia Firth <gigifi...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> Hi again Sharon.
> I have been so frustrated with the VO space command not working the way I'm 
> used to that I got desperate and double tapped the track pad to see what 
> would happen. It was not turned on, but I may consider turning it on if no 
> other reason than it will take the place of this thing. Quite by accident, I 
> found that even with the track pad commander turned off, it will make the 
> selection. I did have one time when it didn't, but I will test some more and 
> see if it will work. Maybe you can join me in testing it, too. 
> 
> 
> 
> Eugenia Firth
> gigifi...@sbcglobal.net
> 
> 
> 
> On Jul 31, 2012, at 12:20 PM, Sharon Ballantyne <sbal...@nexicom.net> wrote:
> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> Has anyone got a fix workaround for VO spacebar being non-responsive?
>> Also has anyone got a workaround for theV O F5  toggle not working is there 
>> some other way or
>> Assignment for the voice over to be turned off and on?
>> thanks,
>> Sharon
>> On 2012-07-31, at 12:28 PM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Yeah, but it works much better now than it ever did in SL or Lion. :)
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>> On Jul 31, 2012, at 11:10 AM, Red.Falcon <velocity.focu...@virginmedia.com> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi there!
>>>> Sorry but I did not see you mention if you calibrated the Mac to your 
>>>> voice this should be helpful!
>>>> Colin
>>>> And that feature has been around for a long time It is on my iMac Still on 
>>>> snowy kitty which I got 2009 and it was there then!
>>>> Colin
>>>> 
>>>> On 31 Jul 2012, at 16:59, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Donna,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I've not gone with the F10 idea, as F10 is also mute on the Mac, which 
>>>>> can cause issues for obvious reasons…
>>>>> 
>>>>> I've used the key directly below esc, however, whilst I can make it work 
>>>>> every now and then not any other time… I tried the alternative of using 
>>>>> the constantly listen option, being able to call out, computer what time 
>>>>> is it, rather floats my boat…
>>>>> 
>>>>> neither option are working for me…! any thoughts.
>>>>> 
>>>>> thanks.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Neil Barnfather
>>>>> 
>>>>> Talks List Administrator
>>>>> Twitter @neilbarnfather
>>>>> 
>>>>> TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an Apple 
>>>>> iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your
>>>>> accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com
>>>>> 
>>>>> URL: - www.talknav.com
>>>>> e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com
>>>>> Phone: - +44  844 999 4199
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 31 Jul 2012, at 16:56, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Neal,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Yes, you need to press and hold the key.  I have also found that it 
>>>>>> helps to hold it for about a half second before you start speaking.  
>>>>>> Also, in system prefs make sure you have the right listening method 
>>>>>> checked.  It's in Accessible Items under Listening key tab.  You have 
>>>>>> two choices, one is listen when key is pressed, the other is listen when 
>>>>>> keyword is spoken.
>>>>>> HTH,
>>>>>> Donna
>>>>>> On Jul 31, 2012, at 10:51 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav 
>>>>>> <for...@talknav.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I have found it thank you, my question now is why is it not working!
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I have enabled it all, and turned the feature on, yet, even by changing 
>>>>>>> the command key and restarting nothing happens.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> what is unclear, is am I supposed to press and hold down the key I 
>>>>>>> nominate?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> thanks for any hands on practical usage info.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Neil Barnfather
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Talks List Administrator
>>>>>>> Twitter @neilbarnfather
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an 
>>>>>>> Apple iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your
>>>>>>> accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> URL: - www.talknav.com
>>>>>>> e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com
>>>>>>> Phone: - +44  844 999 4199
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 31 Jul 2012, at 16:43, Alex Hall <mehg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> What you are talking about is speakable items. Go to system 
>>>>>>>> preferences, accessibility, and find it in the table of options. From 
>>>>>>>> there, select the tabs you want and configure things as necessary. I 
>>>>>>>> recommend going to the commands tab, then the table of command sets, 
>>>>>>>> and turning on everything.
>>>>>>>> On Jul 31, 2012, at 11:31 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav 
>>>>>>>> <for...@talknav.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> sorry, where do you enable that bit though, I mean I can dictate no 
>>>>>>>>> issue, but, how does one ask what day it is etc?
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Neil Barnfather
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Talks List Administrator
>>>>>>>>> Twitter @neilbarnfather
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an 
>>>>>>>>> Apple iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all 
>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>> accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> URL: - www.talknav.com
>>>>>>>>> e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com
>>>>>>>>> Phone: - +44  844 999 4199
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On 31 Jul 2012, at 01:48, Alex Hall <mehg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> These are commands you can give, like "what time is it" or "open 
>>>>>>>>>> iPhoto". You can even select buttons shown in the currently open 
>>>>>>>>>> dialog just by speaking them. If you are at all familiar with 
>>>>>>>>>> Windows speech recognition, it's like dictation is the text input 
>>>>>>>>>> part of that and speakable objects is the other part that accepts 
>>>>>>>>>> commands for system operations.
>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 30, 2012, at 8:45 PM, Tim Emmons <temmo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Ok, easy enough. What is this about speakable Items I'm seeing how 
>>>>>>>>>>> does that effect this. Sorry I'm so late coming into this, I've 
>>>>>>>>>>> been at work today and not able to keep up with this a lot as they 
>>>>>>>>>>> haven't upgraded us yet. Thanks for your patience guys. 
>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 30, 2012, at 7:41 PM, Alex Hall <mehg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> You go into system preferences, then accessibility. Interact with 
>>>>>>>>>>>> a table and select dictation. Turn it on, then follow the dialogs. 
>>>>>>>>>>>> If you are using a usb microphone, you may have to going to sound 
>>>>>>>>>>>> preferences and set the input source to be that USB microphone.
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 30, 2012, at 8:38 PM, Tim Emmons <temmo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm just getting used to Mountain Lion. How do you get into 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> dictation, would love to try it out. Thanks. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 30, 2012, at 7:23 PM, Ray Foret Jr <rfore...@att.net> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well Alex, good for you. I love the dictation as well. I am 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> talking into a Griffin IMike with a Gigaware  are microphone 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> attached to it. And, my air conditioner is going in the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> background. Not bad Huh?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have only made small corrections to this dictation.?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Skype name:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> barefootedray
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 30, 2012, at 6:46 PM, Alex Hall <mehg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am also having great luck with dictation. I have a cheap 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> desktop microphone going through a cheap usb sound card (since 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the mac doesn't support direct input of non-powered mics) but 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it is still doing really well. In my quick tests, it made no 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mistakes. This, paired with that amazing speakable items 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> feature, will make me an even lazier person than I already am. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ironically, I didn't dictate this entire message. I did, 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> however, dictate these last two sentences. I should also add 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that there's a ceiling fan going in the background.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Have a great day,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mehg...@gmail.com; http://www.facebook.com/mehgcap
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