you can also just hit command+option s. On Nov 29, 2012, at 8:11 PM, John Panarese <jpanar...@gmail.com> wrote:
> If you look in the view menu and hit enter on, show Side bar, you do have a > source list visible. You then can use control-option-j to jump from the > source list to other areas and back. You can also use the VoiceOver web > navigation commands as well, such as VO-command-j or even option-tab. > > My suggestion is look at the menus and experiment a bit before you jump > to conclusions. It's certainly different, but I would not call it > "perverted" in the least. Be patient and explore and tinker. We all have to > learn it and find techniques and tips to pass along to one another. > > > > Take Care > > John D. Panarese > Director > Mac for the Blind > Tel, (631) 724-4479 > Email, j...@macfortheblind.com > Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com > Twitter, @macfortheblind > > APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OSX LION > > AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE > > MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT > > > > > On Nov 29, 2012, at 10:32 PM, "Christopher-Mark Gilland" > <clgillan...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> OK, I don't normally bitch about Apple å³°roducts, but I have to say, what in >> the cottin pickin heck! was Apple thinking! Maybe I am just not very >> patient, but this is absolutely disgusting! from what I am so far seeing. >> >> First of all, I hear people saying the interface is much simpiler? OK, how >> do you figure that? You're entitled certainly to you all's own opinions, >> but lookat. Let me give my! point a vew. >> >> First of all, the sources list is totally 100% gone. Granted it's in a >> popup button now, which is fine, except that they put it way smished in the >> darn middle of the screen it seems. This means without the item chooser, >> it's a pain in the butt! to get to that popup button. I can't even jump >> over a lot of things by pressing vo+down arrow instead of right arrow. If I >> do that, there really is no way to get with vo+down arrow to the source >> popup, as it's on the top most row of the screen, so down would take me too >> low, and vo+up won't work, as you kind a already are! on the top upper most >> column of the screen, so... there went that! idea. Second of all, at least >> that I so far can see, though I could be incorrect on this assumption, and >> dear God I hope that I am, there is no longer a list view. It's totally >> grid based now. Not that this is really per sey an issue, but it does make >> navigating a little bit more confusing, I'll sure as heck tell you that! >> >> OK, let's talk about something that for a change I do! actually like. I >> love the fact that they have given us the option of sorting our music by >> songs, artist, playlist, genre, or even album just by hitting vo+space on >> whichever button near the top of the screen. In that sense, I think that >> was an excellent idea. No, I'm not being sarcastic at all! I mean it! That >> really was pretty cool. The only issue is, say you go under albums. Now you >> go to the bottom of the screen and interact with the grid. I'm finding that >> pressing vo+down arrow after doing so is only reading the first 13 or so >> things in the list. Past this point, it insists to only say row 14, row 15, >> row 16, etc. it won't read the album. Not only this, but with the ones it >> does read, it's only telling me the album title, and not the artist along >> with it, so I have no way necessarily of knowing who the album is by, unless >> I'm already familiar with the disc. Fortunately, I know my music quite >> well, so thus, I usually can tell who the disc is by, but that could change >> down the road. >> >> Here's something else really gross in my view. I did a search while in >> album view sorting for "Testify to Love." Once I did this, I noticed as I >> typed, it made the most God! aweful! sound I've ever heard from my macbook >> speakers. Scared the buh Jesus! outta me! Anyway, rellavant as that is, >> LOL! I then vo+right arrowed and found that it showed the results. I found >> Testify to Love by Avalon from the A Maize of Grace album. So, I thought >> ok, bingo! I hit vo+space on it. Ding? Ding ding? What the heck! Finally >> I tried to stop interacting. Turns out, that stupid popup that came up >> apparently was being interacted with. After I stopped, I was able to access >> the grid, but all I saw was a grid of all the albums I had by Avalon. >> Vo+Space on them doesn't seem to be doing anything more so than bringing up >> the album details screen. Once in that screen, I saw where it said songs, >> then it said 1. Testify to Love, and that was the only song showing. I >> presume this is because that is the track that I searched for, so it's not >> gonna populate the whole album. OK, fine, whatever. That makes sense I >> guess, whatever. I hit vo+space on that. Again, let's hear the nice ding >> dong merrily on high, the mackin bells are dingging. What the birdy butt >> sky, I can't do a darn thing thing. OK, enough with my smartass comments. >> You get the point though. >> >> Here's something else. Each device you have connected like an IPhone, or an >> IPad, etc. apparently appears at the top of the screen, again, the very top >> row, so forget vo+up or down to quickly get there. You gotta move about 7 >> or so times to the right from the top left corner, so there again went your >> really quick navigation. OK, fine, Voiceover hotspots to the rescue, yeah, >> sure thing, but, that's ludicrus to have to do that just to make very very >> vital points of the app easier to quickly access. I mean, come? On! Give, >> me, a break! Before you flame me, and say, Chris? your attitude is totally! >> uncalled for, let me just say this. For a new Voiceover user, not that I am >> one, but let's only just for a moment say that I were, this interface would >> be ridiculously! confusing! Is it accessible? Yes. Extremely so, but just >> because it's accessible doesn't mean it's clean. Frankly, this is probably >> the most disgusting interface of any! Apple based app with the exception of >> IPhoto that I ever have seen in my life! And before you say it, oh? baby? >> have I ever! contacted Apple Accessibility regarding this. I was very >> polite, don't worry, but I did tell them up front, between them over >> charging me for my last ITunes purchase which by the way, they are refusing >> to refund, then other things I won't go into here on list, plus then, now >> this? I mean God! Bless! >> >> Oh, here's one more thing, that popup that came up that I was automatically >> interacting with when I did the search for Testify to love? I saw a button >> in there for adding the track to up next. OK, based on the thread already >> up here, I know now what that is, and it actually honestly sounds really >> really awesome. It'll be great to queue things up like that with >> crossfading enabled when I use Nicecast to do my internet broadcasts, but >> here's the thing. I hit vo+space on that, and I guess it added it, but then >> I went back up and hit play. Nothing played though what so ever. >> >> Frankly? I think I'm just gonna quit using ITunes and go v l c. This is >> ridiculous! If I need music, apps, etc. I'll just use my i o s devices. I'm >> sorry, but this is down right yuck in my book. >> >> Before you say anything, let me say this final comment then I'll be done, I >> swear. Most of you, probably not all, but a ton of you probably are gonna >> write me back either on list or off, most likely on, and try imbarrassing >> the heck outta me either purposefully or not, by saying my attitude is >> totally unacceptable, and that more so my choice of slang is only more to >> show my ignorance. Allow me to say this. I do all my work business wize >> with the help of I O S and my copy of ITunes. Whether that is promoting my >> debut single in ITunes by playing it for people I meet on my phone, or it's >> me using my phone as a calendar/roledex, or it's me using apps like LookTel >> or whatever, to simplify my independence. The bottom line is: ITunes for me >> is a big! big! deal. To not have good access to it is extremely! extremely! >> irritating. I never said I can't, nor will, get the hang eventually of the >> new version, and frankly, like it or not, I really don't have much of a >> choice in the matter. I understand that. So, I'll apologize firstly and >> foremost in advance to anyone whom this e-mail may offend with my wordage, >> or verbiage there of, but understand that when you have an app that works so >> fantasticly, then companies think that they have to implement eye candy and >> totally middle F*** the interface, that makes me extremely! angry. If it's >> not broken, then God, darnit? don't fixit! I dono why for so many >> companies, that's so hard to understand. >> >> OK, enough sauga. I'm off to learn this new damned thing. Anyone wanna >> gamble with me if I figure it out or not? LOL! Just kidding. Hey! 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