That's really weird, because I don't have that problem. Write to
accessibil...@apple.com, and explain your exact configuration.
What model mac you have, OS version, etc.

-----Original Message-----
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 2:49 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: itunes 11 is out

OK, so I navigate over to Albums and do VO-Space.  then I arrow over to the
list of albums, and VO-arrow down to the one I want.  I press VO-Space, and
VO says "Album Details.  I interact with that, and VO over to where it says
Album tracks. I interact again.  There's obviously a grid there, but all I
hear is "Blank, Text".
Cheers,
Donna
On Dec 1, 2012, at 9:04 AM, Daniel Miller <miller...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Can you give me step-by-step directions on how to reproduce the issue?
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
> Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 8:53 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: itunes 11 is out
> 
> Hi Daniel,
> 
> Thanks, that'd be fine, although since others seem to be having the 
> same issue, it might be useful to keep it on list.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> On Dec 1, 2012, at 8:24 AM, Daniel Miller <miller...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Odd, cuz I have the opposite issue. I can email you off list of 
>> something if you'd like?
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
>> Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 8:22 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: itunes 11 is out
>> 
>> No, I can see tracks fine in artist view, just not album view.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> On Dec 1, 2012, at 8:09 AM, Daniel Miller <miller...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> That's odd, because mine works just fine. What view do you have your 
>>> library as? If it's set to artist view, there's a bug with that.
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
>>> Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 8:00 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: itunes 11 is out
>>> 
>>> That's exactly what I'm doing.  But when I'm in the list of tracks, 
>>> all VO says is "one item selected, Blank text."  And if I VO-arrow 
>>> right it just keeps saying, "blank, Text".
>>> Best,
>>> Donna
>>> On Dec 1, 2012, at 5:26 AM, Daniel Miller <miller...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Interact with the grid, find an album you want, press VO space, it 
>>>> will expand in place, so immediately interact with the group, and 
>>>> then go all the way to the right again, and you'll see the album 
>>>> tracks
>> grid.
>>>> Yes, it's a lot of interacting, but if you visually think about it, 
>>>> the interface makes a lot of sense.
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
>>>> Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 5:25 AM
>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>> Subject: Re: itunes 11 is out
>>>> 
>>>> Yeah, but how do you see the tracks.  I hear VO say album grid, but 
>>>> I don't seem to be able to see the list of tracks.
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Donna
>>>> On Dec 1, 2012, at 5:12 AM, Daniel Miller <miller...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> There's an album track grid.
>>>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Krister 
>>>>> Ekstrom
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 4:34 AM
>>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>>> Subject: Re: itunes 11 is out
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>> One thing i can't get my head around is, if i have the view set to 
>>>>> albums, how can i see the list of tracks on an album i have chosen?
>>>>> This no longer does seem to work. In previous versions there was a 
>>>>> table with the tracks of a chosen album but this is gone now. No, 
>>>>> i do not want the old interface back, i want to learn the new one, 
>>>>> but i want
>>>> to know this.
>>>>> /Krister
>>>>> 
>>>>> 30 nov 2012 kl. 16:27 skrev Mike Arrigo <n0...@charter.net>:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Yes, after looking closer at the window, I found the set of radio
>>>> buttons.
>>>>> Over all I like the new interface, much more stream lined.
>>>>>> Original message:
>>>>>>> You can switch to list view.
>>>>>>> There are three radio buttons.
>>>>>>> One thing i do like is the ability to see shows in the cloud.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Nov 29, 2012, at 5:11 PM, Mike Arrigo <n0...@charter.net> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> One thing I don't like about the new version, and perhaps there 
>>>>>>>> is a way
>>>>> to change this, it groups your tv shows by season now, there's no 
>>>>> way that I can find to just get a list of all shows in a nice long
> list.
>>>>>>>> On Nov 29, 2012, at 2:14 PM, "Daniel Miller" 
>>>>>>>> <miller...@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> If you don't want to use the library, then you're out of luck. 
>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>> personally like the library.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>>>>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ray 
>>>>>>>>> Foret Jr
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 2:06 PM
>>>>>>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: itunes 11 is out
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Ah, of course.  But, suppose you don't want to use the ITunes
>>> library?
>>>>> that's always been my beaf with ITunes anyhow.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>>>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray
>>>>>>>>> Still a very proud and happy Mac user!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Nov 29, 2012, at 2:00 PM, Matthew Campbell
>>>>> <wrestling.ch...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Hi.
>>>>>>>>> iTunes 11 does have a new feature called up next. This only 
>>>>>>>>> allows you
>>>>> to cue up songs in the library though.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On 2012-11-29, at 2:56 PM, Ray Foret Jr <rfore...@att.net> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Well, what I mean is that I wanted to be able to locate a file 
>>>>>>>>> using
>>>>> finder and cue it up in ITunes to play after the current file.  I 
>>>>> know that, ITunes has never allowed files to be play in that way.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>>>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray
>>>>>>>>> Still a very proud and happy Mac user!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Nov 29, 2012, at 1:44 PM, "Daniel Miller" 
>>>>>>>>> <miller...@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> What do you mean directly from the finder? I never knew you 
>>>>>>>>> could even
>>>>> do that.
>>>>>>>>> Also, for windows users, the menu bar is hidden by default, 
>>>>>>>>> and refuses
>>>>> to read with jaws when you show it.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>>>>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ray 
>>>>>>>>> Foret Jr
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 1:40 PM
>>>>>>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: itunes 11 is out
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Well, you see, I had a problem.  Every single time I tried to 
>>>>>>>>> add files
>>>>> to my last ITunes Library, (this was just prior to my totally 
>>>>> fresh OS reinstall), ITunes would crash every single time if it 
>>>>> was not permitted to add the files themselves to the Library.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> What about playing files directly from the finder with Itunes 11?

>>>>>>>>> Is
>>>>> this possible?
>>>>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>>>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray
>>>>>>>>> Still a very proud and happy Mac user!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Nov 29, 2012, at 1:28 PM, "Daniel Miller" 
>>>>>>>>> <miller...@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> From a Mac perspective, things are much cleaner when it comes 
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>> navigating around the UI. On Windows, there's even more tabbing 
>>>>> around than there used to be, and that annoys me. Thankfully, 
>>>>> however, I use it primarily on the Mac.
>>>>>>>>> As far as libraries, yes, it still uses them, although I'm not 
>>>>>>>>> quite
>>>>> sure why you'd need 2 copies of each file. You can tell iTunes to 
>>>>> not place the files in the media folder itself when you copy them 
>>>>> to the library, therefore freeing up that drive space you say you
lose.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> From: 
>>>>>>>>>
macvisionaries@googlegroups.com[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.
>>>>>>>>> com] On Behalf Of Ray Foret Jr
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 1:18 PM
>>>>>>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: itunes 11 is out
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> What are the primary differences we can expect in ITunes 11 
>>>>>>>>> from what
>>>>> you've seen so far?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I am operating on the assumption that this version of ITunes 
>>>>>>>>> is still
>>>>> as library dependant as the other versions have been.  IF so, it 
>>>>> will mean that, when I start rebuilding my audio collection from 
>>>>> scratch again, and if this collection consists of files I record 
>>>>> myself, I will need to have two copies of each file; one in the 
>>>>> original location and the other in my ITunes library.  I'd really 
>>>>> rather not do
>>>> that.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Clutters up drive space.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>>>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray
>>>>>>>>> Still a very proud and happy Mac user!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Nov 29, 2012, at 1:10 PM, "Daniel Miller" 
>>>>>>>>> <miller...@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I can say it works amazing with VO, not so much so on the 
>>>>>>>>> Windows side of things.
>>>>>>>>> Everything's perfectly accessible, buttons are labeled, etc.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>>>>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard 
>>>>>>>>> Ring
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 12:23 PM
>>>>>>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: itunes 11 is out
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I love the fact that any Mac can be made blind friendly so easily.
>>>>>>>>> On Nov 29, 2012, at 12:15 PM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Subject line says it all. Itunes 11 with simplified player and 
>>>>>>>>> redesigned store is now available for download. I haven't 
>>>>>>>>> tried it yet and don't plan to until my husband puts it on his 
>>>>>>>>> Mac and I can see
>>>>> how it works with vo.
>>>>>>>>> Oh the joys of having the screen reader built in to all Macs!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Mary
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Mary Otten
>>>>>>>>> motte...@gmail.com
>>>>>> 
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