Yeah, thanks.  Will do.
Thanks for trying to help troubleshoot.
Cheers,
Donna
On Dec 1, 2012, at 3:00 PM, Daniel Miller <miller...@gmail.com> wrote:

> That's really weird, because I don't have that problem. Write to
> accessibil...@apple.com, and explain your exact configuration.
> What model mac you have, OS version, etc.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
> Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 2:49 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: itunes 11 is out
> 
> OK, so I navigate over to Albums and do VO-Space.  then I arrow over to the
> list of albums, and VO-arrow down to the one I want.  I press VO-Space, and
> VO says "Album Details.  I interact with that, and VO over to where it says
> Album tracks. I interact again.  There's obviously a grid there, but all I
> hear is "Blank, Text".
> Cheers,
> Donna
> On Dec 1, 2012, at 9:04 AM, Daniel Miller <miller...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Can you give me step-by-step directions on how to reproduce the issue?
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
>> Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 8:53 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: itunes 11 is out
>> 
>> Hi Daniel,
>> 
>> Thanks, that'd be fine, although since others seem to be having the 
>> same issue, it might be useful to keep it on list.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> On Dec 1, 2012, at 8:24 AM, Daniel Miller <miller...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Odd, cuz I have the opposite issue. I can email you off list of 
>>> something if you'd like?
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
>>> Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 8:22 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: itunes 11 is out
>>> 
>>> No, I can see tracks fine in artist view, just not album view.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>> On Dec 1, 2012, at 8:09 AM, Daniel Miller <miller...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> That's odd, because mine works just fine. What view do you have your 
>>>> library as? If it's set to artist view, there's a bug with that.
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
>>>> Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 8:00 AM
>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>> Subject: Re: itunes 11 is out
>>>> 
>>>> That's exactly what I'm doing.  But when I'm in the list of tracks, 
>>>> all VO says is "one item selected, Blank text."  And if I VO-arrow 
>>>> right it just keeps saying, "blank, Text".
>>>> Best,
>>>> Donna
>>>> On Dec 1, 2012, at 5:26 AM, Daniel Miller <miller...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Interact with the grid, find an album you want, press VO space, it 
>>>>> will expand in place, so immediately interact with the group, and 
>>>>> then go all the way to the right again, and you'll see the album 
>>>>> tracks
>>> grid.
>>>>> Yes, it's a lot of interacting, but if you visually think about it, 
>>>>> the interface makes a lot of sense.
>>>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 5:25 AM
>>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>>> Subject: Re: itunes 11 is out
>>>>> 
>>>>> Yeah, but how do you see the tracks.  I hear VO say album grid, but 
>>>>> I don't seem to be able to see the list of tracks.
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Donna
>>>>> On Dec 1, 2012, at 5:12 AM, Daniel Miller <miller...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> There's an album track grid.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Krister 
>>>>>> Ekstrom
>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 4:34 AM
>>>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>>>> Subject: Re: itunes 11 is out
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>> One thing i can't get my head around is, if i have the view set to 
>>>>>> albums, how can i see the list of tracks on an album i have chosen?
>>>>>> This no longer does seem to work. In previous versions there was a 
>>>>>> table with the tracks of a chosen album but this is gone now. No, 
>>>>>> i do not want the old interface back, i want to learn the new one, 
>>>>>> but i want
>>>>> to know this.
>>>>>> /Krister
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 30 nov 2012 kl. 16:27 skrev Mike Arrigo <n0...@charter.net>:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Yes, after looking closer at the window, I found the set of radio
>>>>> buttons.
>>>>>> Over all I like the new interface, much more stream lined.
>>>>>>> Original message:
>>>>>>>> You can switch to list view.
>>>>>>>> There are three radio buttons.
>>>>>>>> One thing i do like is the ability to see shows in the cloud.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Nov 29, 2012, at 5:11 PM, Mike Arrigo <n0...@charter.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> One thing I don't like about the new version, and perhaps there 
>>>>>>>>> is a way
>>>>>> to change this, it groups your tv shows by season now, there's no 
>>>>>> way that I can find to just get a list of all shows in a nice long
>> list.
>>>>>>>>> On Nov 29, 2012, at 2:14 PM, "Daniel Miller" 
>>>>>>>>> <miller...@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> If you don't want to use the library, then you're out of luck. 
>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>> personally like the library.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ray 
>>>>>>>>>> Foret Jr
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 2:06 PM
>>>>>>>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: itunes 11 is out
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Ah, of course.  But, suppose you don't want to use the ITunes
>>>> library?
>>>>>> that's always been my beaf with ITunes anyhow.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>>>>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray
>>>>>>>>>> Still a very proud and happy Mac user!
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On Nov 29, 2012, at 2:00 PM, Matthew Campbell
>>>>>> <wrestling.ch...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Hi.
>>>>>>>>>> iTunes 11 does have a new feature called up next. This only 
>>>>>>>>>> allows you
>>>>>> to cue up songs in the library though.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On 2012-11-29, at 2:56 PM, Ray Foret Jr <rfore...@att.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Well, what I mean is that I wanted to be able to locate a file 
>>>>>>>>>> using
>>>>>> finder and cue it up in ITunes to play after the current file.  I 
>>>>>> know that, ITunes has never allowed files to be play in that way.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>>>>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray
>>>>>>>>>> Still a very proud and happy Mac user!
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On Nov 29, 2012, at 1:44 PM, "Daniel Miller" 
>>>>>>>>>> <miller...@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> What do you mean directly from the finder? I never knew you 
>>>>>>>>>> could even
>>>>>> do that.
>>>>>>>>>> Also, for windows users, the menu bar is hidden by default, 
>>>>>>>>>> and refuses
>>>>>> to read with jaws when you show it.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ray 
>>>>>>>>>> Foret Jr
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 1:40 PM
>>>>>>>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: itunes 11 is out
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Well, you see, I had a problem.  Every single time I tried to 
>>>>>>>>>> add files
>>>>>> to my last ITunes Library, (this was just prior to my totally 
>>>>>> fresh OS reinstall), ITunes would crash every single time if it 
>>>>>> was not permitted to add the files themselves to the Library.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> What about playing files directly from the finder with Itunes 11?
> 
>>>>>>>>>> Is
>>>>>> this possible?
>>>>>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>>>>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray
>>>>>>>>>> Still a very proud and happy Mac user!
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On Nov 29, 2012, at 1:28 PM, "Daniel Miller" 
>>>>>>>>>> <miller...@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> From a Mac perspective, things are much cleaner when it comes 
>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>> navigating around the UI. On Windows, there's even more tabbing 
>>>>>> around than there used to be, and that annoys me. Thankfully, 
>>>>>> however, I use it primarily on the Mac.
>>>>>>>>>> As far as libraries, yes, it still uses them, although I'm not 
>>>>>>>>>> quite
>>>>>> sure why you'd need 2 copies of each file. You can tell iTunes to 
>>>>>> not place the files in the media folder itself when you copy them 
>>>>>> to the library, therefore freeing up that drive space you say you
> lose.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> From: 
>>>>>>>>>> 
> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.
>>>>>>>>>> com] On Behalf Of Ray Foret Jr
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 1:18 PM
>>>>>>>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: itunes 11 is out
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> What are the primary differences we can expect in ITunes 11 
>>>>>>>>>> from what
>>>>>> you've seen so far?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> I am operating on the assumption that this version of ITunes 
>>>>>>>>>> is still
>>>>>> as library dependant as the other versions have been.  IF so, it 
>>>>>> will mean that, when I start rebuilding my audio collection from 
>>>>>> scratch again, and if this collection consists of files I record 
>>>>>> myself, I will need to have two copies of each file; one in the 
>>>>>> original location and the other in my ITunes library.  I'd really 
>>>>>> rather not do
>>>>> that.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Clutters up drive space.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>>>>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray
>>>>>>>>>> Still a very proud and happy Mac user!
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On Nov 29, 2012, at 1:10 PM, "Daniel Miller" 
>>>>>>>>>> <miller...@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> I can say it works amazing with VO, not so much so on the 
>>>>>>>>>> Windows side of things.
>>>>>>>>>> Everything's perfectly accessible, buttons are labeled, etc.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard 
>>>>>>>>>> Ring
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 12:23 PM
>>>>>>>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: itunes 11 is out
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> I love the fact that any Mac can be made blind friendly so easily.
>>>>>>>>>> On Nov 29, 2012, at 12:15 PM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Subject line says it all. Itunes 11 with simplified player and 
>>>>>>>>>> redesigned store is now available for download. I haven't 
>>>>>>>>>> tried it yet and don't plan to until my husband puts it on his 
>>>>>>>>>> Mac and I can see
>>>>>> how it works with vo.
>>>>>>>>>> Oh the joys of having the screen reader built in to all Macs!
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Mary
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Mary Otten
>>>>>>>>>> motte...@gmail.com
>>>>>>> 
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