Cheree Heppe here:
This topic comes at a great time, as, with this newly acquired MaccBook Air, I 
am experiencing difficulties.

First, when the MBA turns on from a shut down, there is no audio signal to 
indicate that it is at a log-in screen or that it has come on at all.  It seems 
that there should be a setting in VoiceOver to speak on start-up; or, a means 
to install something that will make a sound or tonal sequence, etc.  What is 
the actual situation?

Commands in the built-in tutorial use keystrokes of three or more keys 
simultaneously to engage or perform one action.  I have the usual compliment of 
fingers for a human, but, this is a lot like clumsy and slow to me.  Are there 
other sets of command structures that would add more fluidity to the command 
keystrokes?

The tutorial is where I started, but I didn't get far for the reason that when 
I had to break off for some reason, I could not come back easily to my stopping 
point.

The reps at the Apple store have valiantly struggled through two hour-long 
sessions and we all were getting pretty discouraged and frustrated.

Without having a strong basis yet, it nevertheless seems that the IOS platform 
works far more intuitively and fluidly or integratively.  The MAC platform 
seems compartmentalized and piecy in the way blind users have to access the 
usage.  The trackpad will speak elements, but response time between one's 
touching an element and the speaking of what's under a finger is so sluggish 
that the finger could have, and probably has moved on and misinformation 
occurs.  Touching with the MAC trackpad does not respond anywhere near at the 
speed or fluidity or seemlessness that the IOS devices do.

Suggestions welcome.


Regards,
Cheree Heppe


Sent from my IPhone 4S

On 09/01/2013, at 10:01, "Phil Halton" <philh...@gmail.com> wrote:

Yes,
1) take the VoiceOver tutorial by pressing VO, Command, F8
2) repeatedly read the mountain lion with VoiceOver manual. It can be found on 
Apple's website, and also under the VoiceOver help menu (VO H)

3) make liberal use of the keyboard help function (VO K)
4) , explore and get very frustrated over and over again until frustration goes 
away.

----- Original Message ----- From: "David Hole" <balubathebr...@gmail.com>
To: "MacVisionaries" <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2013 12:28 PM
Subject: How to help blind people new to Mac learn it as fast and smooth as 
possible


> Hi folks.
> 
> As far as I know, there are many here in this group who are helping
> blind people switching from Windows to Mac.
> Do you have any strategies to help them get fast into the VoiceOver
> commands, and how they can "distance" them selves from the Windows
> platform, and learn Mac the best way there is?
> For example, is the best way to first learn to use VoiceOver with the
> QuickKeys, or the hard way with so many keys pressed at once some
> times?
> What about what to learn first, do you learn them a piece of software
> (such as Mail or Safari) or how the OS and how VoiceOver interacts
> with it before going into apps?
> 
> All comments on this is really welcome.
> 
> Best regards David
> 
> -- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "MacVisionaries" group.
> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com.
> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> For more options, visit this group at 
> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"MacVisionaries" group.
To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit this group at 
http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"MacVisionaries" group.
To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit this group at 
http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.

Reply via email to