Hi, This often depends on the list. Option up/down arrow works in many situations. For example, in the finder and YoruFukurou. I've also made a shortcut with the keyboard commander and my trackpad commander to lesson the keystrokes for when option up/down arrow doesn't work.
Ricardo Walker rica...@appletothecore.info Twitter:@apple2thecore www.appletothecore.info On Jan 14, 2013, at 7:30 PM, Danny Noonan <da...@familynoonan.net> wrote: > If though you had a command to move to the top of a list with out having to > interact each time I'd be much happier vo shift home is painful if you forget > to interact first. Apparently before lion this was much easier. I do long for > home, end, page up and down to work a tad more like in windows. > > Having said this, I find myself interacting a lot less lately in many > situations. > > Danny > > > Sent from my phone > > On 15/01/2013, at 11:16 AM, Ricardo Walker <rwalker...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hello, >> >> I'd like to point out something about interacting. I've noticed that many >> people interact when it is totally unnecessary. Not saying your doing this >> mind you but, it is something I noticed many new users or, those who use a >> Mac occasionally do. For example, I've seen people interact with the >> sources table in iTunes just to navigate up and down their playlists. >> Totally unnecessary unless one wishes to bring up a context menu for one of >> the items in their sources table. Another place where I have seen many >> interact for no real reason is the table in YoruFukurou. Or even the >> finder. Unless wanting to bring up a context menu for a file or folder, >> generally speaking, there is nothing gained by interacting in the finder. >> >>> I honestly love the interacting method. For instance, I couldn't imagine >>> using Garageband as 1 continuous window or, multiple windows. >> >> Ricardo Walker >> rica...@appletothecore.info >> Twitter:@apple2thecore >> www.appletothecore.info >> >> On Jan 14, 2013, at 6:31 PM, Danny Noonan <da...@familynoonan.net> wrote: >> >>> Concepts do go across both platforms but then those little inconsistencies >>> bug me. In text editors and the like, you have your good old command x cut >>> but in finder, you have to use copy command c and then move at the other >>> end with command option v. Why?! As far as I know Command X isn't used. Why >>> change it? >>> >>> Things like this are the reel challenge as you have several different ways >>> to do similar tasks and some or all work in some or all situations but then >>> others don't. >>> >>> I will agree that I detest interacting too. It along with a few other >>> aspics of VoiceOver on the mac add so much time to the simplest of tasks. >>> >>> Still, I'm glad I moved over even though there are still some tasks that I >>> can't do well or at all. I refuse to have a windows machine for a few >>> simple things though. >>> >>> Danny: >>> >>> On 15/01/2013, at 10:12 AM, Kerri <shalo...@shaw.ca> wrote: >>> >>>> I have to say that this is true when I became a mac user. What I found >>>> tough was that blasted interacting, I still detest it vehemently. But >>>> forgetting windows completely for me, was not a huge help because of the >>>> concepts that are the same across the board. >>>> On 2013-01-14, at 4:51 AM, erik burggraaf <e...@erik-burggraaf.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> You know, As an instructor, some times I find this advice helpful and >>>>> sometimes not. While it is useful at times to torpido peoples >>>>> pre-conceptions, it is true that a number of concepts are the same across >>>>> the board, such as file browsing, email reading, and copying/pasting. >>>>> Some users Won't move on without their creature comforts. How do I read >>>>> the title bar? So, if I give them a keystroke that lets them read the >>>>> title of a window, even if I have to then explain about the application >>>>> chooser since they are on the same keypress, it makes them feel better >>>>> having that handy. >>>>> >>>>> I could honestly take both sides or approaches to this. Depending on >>>>> which one seems to be most helpful to the person I'm sitting in front of. >>>>> >>>>> Best, >>>>> >>>>> Erik Burggraaf >>>>> Follow my series of articles about setting up a small business through >>>>> the ontario disability support program at >>>>> http://www.erik-burggraaf.com/blog >>>>> Ebony Consulting toll-free: 1-888-255-5194 >>>>> or on the web at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com >>>>> >>>>> On 2013-01-10, at 5:30 AM, Kliphton A M <kliph...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> The one thing that someone told me helped the most. Forget everything >>>>>> you know about windows! The 2 systems are as different as night and >>>>>> day, so open your mind, and learn the new OS, because even though your >>>>>> not a knew computer user, the system is new to you. Once you do this, >>>>>> everything will start to make more since. >>>>>> >>>>>> Kliphton Senior >>>>>> (Email&iMessage) kliph...@gmail.com >>>>>> (Twitter&Skype) kliphton72 >>>>>> (Personal blog-read at your own risk!) http://kliphskorner.wordpress.com >>>>>> (Life Journal) kliphton.wordpress.com >>>>>> http://facebook.com/kliphandsharrie >>>>>> >>>>>> On Jan 9, 2013, at 11:28 AM, David Hole <balubathebr...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi folks. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> As far as I know, there are many here in this group who are helping >>>>>>> blind people switching from Windows to Mac. >>>>>>> Do you have any strategies to help them get fast into the VoiceOver >>>>>>> commands, and how they can "distance" them selves from the Windows >>>>>>> platform, and learn Mac the best way there is? >>>>>>> For example, is the best way to first learn to use VoiceOver with the >>>>>>> QuickKeys, or the hard way with so many keys pressed at once some >>>>>>> times? >>>>>>> What about what to learn first, do you learn them a piece of software >>>>>>> (such as Mail or Safari) or how the OS and how VoiceOver interacts >>>>>>> with it before going into apps? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> All comments on this is really welcome. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Best regards David >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. 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